10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the pieces on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff, including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.

To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano. Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".

I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with timbres that work well in 10EDO.

**This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have failed--Max just crashes.**

Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't have the heart to lose another fight")

I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme know.

The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting and challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs* me. But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through before now.

You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki

http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368

I used the AXiS49 to perform it.

Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.

YMMV

CHris

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the pieces
> on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
>
> To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
>
> I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> timbres that work well in 10EDO.
>
> **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> failed--Max just crashes.**
>
> Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> have the heart to lose another fight")
>
> I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme know.
>
> The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting and
> challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs* me.
> But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through before
> now.
>
>
>

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Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive) research, it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth the money in the 200-dollar range.
Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your own tunings for it.
caleb

--- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM

You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki

http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368

I used the AXiS49 to perform it.

Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.

YMMV

CHris

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the pieces
> on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
>
> To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
>
> I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> timbres that work well in 10EDO.
>
> **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> failed--Max just crashes.**
>
> Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> have the heart to lose another fight")
>
> I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme know.
>
> The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting and
> challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs* me.
> But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through before
> now.
>
> 
>

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Hello Caleb,

Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive) research,
> it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> the money in the 200-dollar range.
> Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> own tunings for it.
> caleb
>
> --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
>
> You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> YMMV
>
> CHris
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> pieces
> > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> know.
> >
> > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> and
> > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> me.
> > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM

Hello Caleb,

Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the
> closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive) research,
> it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> the money in the 200-dollar range.
> Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> own tunings for it.
> caleb
>
> --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
>
> You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> YMMV
>
> CHris
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> pieces
> > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> know.
> >
> > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> and
> > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> me.
> > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

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I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.

Let me know,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> -c
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
>
>
> Hello Caleb,
>
> Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
> Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive) research,
> > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> > own tunings for it.
> > caleb
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> >
> >
> > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> >
> > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> >
> > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> >
> > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > CHris
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> > pieces
> > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> > >
> > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> > >
> > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> > >
> > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> > >
> > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> > >
> > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> > know.
> > >
> > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> > and
> > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> > me.
> > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> > before
> > > now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Quick response: no need to use detuned timbres unless you want, you can
make it sound good by just using chilled out timbres in general (like
Rhodes), yes you can make 10-EDO sound good, there's been a trend towards
making use of more dissonant tunings, talk to Igs or Elaine Walker, you
should join the Xenharmonic Alliance Facebook group, phew

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM

Hello Caleb,

Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive) research,
> it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> the money in the 200-dollar range.
> Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> own tunings for it.
> caleb
>
> --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
>
> You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> YMMV
>
> CHris
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> pieces
> > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> know.
> >
> > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> and
> > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> me.
> > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Thanks, Chris!   Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.

I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly awful.  However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down* the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the self-similar idea lends itself to that.

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM

I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.

Let me know,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> -c
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
>
>
> Hello Caleb,
>
> Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
> Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the
> > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive) research,
> > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> > own tunings for it.
> > caleb
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> >
> >
> > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> >
> > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> >
> > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> >
> > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > CHris
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> > pieces
> > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> > >
> > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> > >
> > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> > >
> > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> > >
> > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> > >
> > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> > know.
> > >
> > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> > and
> > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> > me.
> > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> > before
> > > now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Good suggestion, Mike.  
Yes, just subtle timbres without too many overtones, perhaps?

I'll check out what's involved with the Facebook group.
It might mean renouncing my status as misanthropic hermit, and this would be sad, very sad.

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: "MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com" <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:40 PM

Quick response: no need to use detuned timbres unless you want, you can
make it sound good by just using chilled out timbres in general (like
Rhodes), yes you can make 10-EDO sound good, there's been a trend towards
making use of more dissonant tunings, talk to Igs or Elaine Walker, you
should join the Xenharmonic Alliance Facebook group, phew

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM

Hello Caleb,

Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS supports
Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the
> closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive) research,
> it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> the money in the 200-dollar range.
> Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> own tunings for it.
> caleb
>
> --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
>
> You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> YMMV
>
> CHris
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> pieces
> > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> know.
> >
> > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> and
> > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> me.
> > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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You have me curious as well. I used xenharmonic-FMTS in Neutronium (11 edo)

http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=2015

but it is not alone in the mix.

Give me a few minutes and I'll have something for you.

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks, Chris! Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
> Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
>
> I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
> My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly
> awful. However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*
> the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
> My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the
> self-similar idea lends itself to that.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
>
>
> I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.
>
> Let me know,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> > -c
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
> >
> >
> > Hello Caleb,
> >
> > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
> supports
> > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,
> the
> > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive)
> research,
> > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
> worth
> > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> > > own tunings for it.
> > > caleb
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > > Sethares
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> > >
> > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> > >
> > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> > >
> > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> > >
> > > YMMV
> > >
> > > CHris
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on
> the
> > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> > > pieces
> > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> > > >
> > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
> piano.
> > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> > > >
> > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up
> with
> > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> > > >
> > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> > > >
> > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
> don't
> > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> > > >
> > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
> stuff
> > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
> interesting
> > > and
> > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
> *bugs*
> > > me.
> > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> > > before
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Here you go Caleb.

If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so
slower is easy.

I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav

http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/

Take care,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks, Chris! Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
> Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
>
> I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
> My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly
> awful. However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*
> the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
> My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the
> self-similar idea lends itself to that.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
>
>
> I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.
>
> Let me know,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> > -c
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...m> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
> >
> >
> > Hello Caleb,
> >
> > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
> supports
> > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,
> the
> > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive)
> research,
> > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
> worth
> > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> > > own tunings for it.
> > > caleb
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > > Sethares
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> > >
> > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> > >
> > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> > >
> > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> > >
> > > YMMV
> > >
> > > CHris
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on
> the
> > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> > > pieces
> > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> > > >
> > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
> piano.
> > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> > > >
> > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up
> with
> > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> > > >
> > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> > > >
> > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
> don't
> > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> > > >
> > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
> stuff
> > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
> interesting
> > > and
> > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
> *bugs*
> > > me.
> > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> > > before
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Thanks, Chris, got it.
-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM

Here you go Caleb.

If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so
slower is easy.

I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav

http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/

Take care,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks, Chris!   Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
> Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
>
> I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
> My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly
> awful.  However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*
> the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
> My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the
> self-similar idea lends itself to that.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
>
>
> I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.
>
> Let me know,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> > -c
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
> >
> >
> > Hello Caleb,
> >
> > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
> supports
> > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the
> > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,
> the
> > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive)
> research,
> > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
> worth
> > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> > > own tunings for it.
> > > caleb
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > > Sethares
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> > >
> > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> > >
> > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> > >
> > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> > >
> > > YMMV
> > >
> > > CHris
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on
> the
> > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> > > pieces
> > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> > > >
> > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
> piano.
> > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> > > >
> > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up
> with
> > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> > > >
> > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> > > >
> > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
> don't
> > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> > > >
> > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
> stuff
> > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
> interesting
> > > and
> > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
> *bugs*
> > > me.
> > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> > > before
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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The nice thing about the 2032 softsynth is that it works.  Double-click and you're, um, jammin', or rockin', or whatever your predilection.
So, dumb question.
If I put the tuning slider on 720 cents (all the way up) and the other slider-thingy on "maximum consonance", I get timbres that are so enharmonic they almost have no pitch-center.  This sometimes sounds good, sometimes not.
The dumb question:  Would these be the most "consonant" (in scare quotes because I'm no longer sure what that means) timbres for 10EDO?
If so, I can use the 2032 as one sound-source, with the great advantage that it's really easy to use.
caleb

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:33 AM

Thanks, Chris, got it.

-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM

Here you go Caleb.

If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so

slower is easy.

I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav

http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/

Take care,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Thanks, Chris!   Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!

> Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.

>

> I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.

> My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly

> awful.  However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*

> the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.

> My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the

> self-similar idea lends itself to that.

>

>

> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

>

> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> Sethares

> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM

>

>

> I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.

>

> Let me know,

>

> Chris

>

> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.

> > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....

> > -c

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> >

> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> > Sethares

> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM

> >

> >

> > Hello Caleb,

> >

> > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC

> > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this

> > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html

> > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS

> supports

> > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.

> > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by

> > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the

> > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the

> > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,

> the

> > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.

> > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.

> > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive)

> research,

> > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely

> worth

> > > the money in the 200-dollar range.

> > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your

> > > own tunings for it.

> > > caleb

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> > > Sethares

> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki

> > >

> > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368

> > >

> > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.

> > >

> > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.

> > >

> > > YMMV

> > >

> > > CHris

> > >

> > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > **

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on

> the

> > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the

> > > pieces

> > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,

> > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.

> > > >

> > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on

> piano.

> > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".

> > > >

> > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up

> with

> > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.

> > > >

> > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first

> > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have

> > > > failed--Max just crashes.**

> > > >

> > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I

> don't

> > > > have the heart to lose another fight")

> > > >

> > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the

> > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get

> stuff

> > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme

> > > know.

> > > >

> > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most

> interesting

> > > and

> > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have

> > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it

> *bugs*

> > > me.

> > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through

> > > before

> > > > now.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > >

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> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

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The tip by Jacky Ligon that Chris forwarded me is just great.  I can now resynthesize any sample and, using the mod wheel, gliss between 10EDO partials and harmonic partials.
Only exaggerating *slightly* to say this has changed my life.
Thanks.
caleb

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and 2032
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:50 AM

The nice thing about the 2032 softsynth is that it works.  Double-click and you're, um, jammin', or rockin', or whatever your predilection.

So, dumb question.

If I put the tuning slider on 720 cents (all the way up) and the other slider-thingy on "maximum consonance", I get timbres that are so enharmonic they almost have no pitch-center.  This sometimes sounds good, sometimes not.

The dumb question:  Would these be the most "consonant" (in scare quotes because I'm no longer sure what that means) timbres for 10EDO?

If so, I can use the 2032 as one sound-source, with the great advantage that it's really easy to use.

caleb

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:33 AM

Thanks, Chris, got it.

-c

--- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM

Here you go Caleb.

If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so

slower is easy.

I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav

http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/

Take care,

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Thanks, Chris!   Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!

> Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.

>

> I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.

> My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly

> awful.  However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*

> the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.

> My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the

> self-similar idea lends itself to that.

>

>

> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

>

> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> Sethares

> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM

>

>

> I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to you.

>

> Let me know,

>

> Chris

>

> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.

> > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....

> > -c

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> >

> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> > Sethares

> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM

> >

> >

> > Hello Caleb,

> >

> > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC

> > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this

> > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html

> > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS

> supports

> > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.

> > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by

> > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the

> > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the

> > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,

> the

> > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.

> > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.

> > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive)

> research,

> > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely

> worth

> > > the money in the 200-dollar range.

> > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your

> > > own tunings for it.

> > > caleb

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

> > > Sethares

> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com

> > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki

> > >

> > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368

> > >

> > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.

> > >

> > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.

> > >

> > > YMMV

> > >

> > > CHris

> > >

> > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > **

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on

> the

> > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the

> > > pieces

> > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,

> > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.

> > > >

> > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on

> piano.

> > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".

> > > >

> > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up

> with

> > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.

> > > >

> > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first

> > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have

> > > > failed--Max just crashes.**

> > > >

> > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I

> don't

> > > > have the heart to lose another fight")

> > > >

> > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the

> > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get

> stuff

> > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme

> > > know.

> > > >

> > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most

> interesting

> > > and

> > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have

> > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it

> *bugs*

> > > me.

> > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through

> > > before

> > > > now.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > >

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> > >

> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

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I want to hear that gliss!!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> The tip by Jacky Ligon that Chris forwarded me is just great. I can now
> resynthesize any sample and, using the mod wheel, gliss between 10EDO
> partials and harmonic partials.
> Only exaggerating *slightly* to say this has changed my life.
> Thanks.
> caleb
>
> --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and 2032
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:50 AM
>
>
>
> The nice thing about the 2032 softsynth is that it works. Double-click
> and you're, um, jammin', or rockin', or whatever your predilection.
>
> So, dumb question.
>
> If I put the tuning slider on 720 cents (all the way up) and the other
> slider-thingy on "maximum consonance", I get timbres that are so enharmonic
> they almost have no pitch-center. This sometimes sounds good, sometimes
> not.
>
> The dumb question: Would these be the most "consonant" (in scare quotes
> because I'm no longer sure what that means) timbres for 10EDO?
>
> If so, I can use the 2032 as one sound-source, with the great advantage
> that it's really easy to use.
>
> caleb
>
> --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
>
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:33 AM
>
>
>
> Thanks, Chris, got it.
>
> -c
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
>
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM
>
> Here you go Caleb.
>
> If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so
>
> slower is easy.
>
> I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav
>
> http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/
>
> Take care,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks, Chris! Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
>
> > Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
>
> >
>
> > I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
>
> > My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly
>
> > awful. However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*
>
> > the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
>
> > My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the
>
> > self-similar idea lends itself to that.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > Sethares
>
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to
> you.
>
> >
>
> > Let me know,
>
> >
>
> > Chris
>
> >
>
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > **
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
>
> > > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
>
> > > -c
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > > Sethares
>
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Hello Caleb,
>
> > >
>
> > > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
>
> > > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
>
> > > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
>
> > > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
>
> > supports
>
> > > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
>
> > >
>
> > > Chris
>
> > >
>
> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > **
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
>
> > > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
>
> > > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
>
> > > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
>
> > > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,
>
> > the
>
> > > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
>
> > > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
>
> > > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive)
>
> > research,
>
> > > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
>
> > worth
>
> > > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
>
> > > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make
> your
>
> > > > own tunings for it.
>
> > > > caleb
>
> > > >
>
> > > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > > > Sethares
>
> > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> > > >
>
> > > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > YMMV
>
> > > >
>
> > > > CHris
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > **
>
> > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on
>
> > the
>
> > > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to
> the
>
> > > > pieces
>
> > > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good
> stuff,
>
> > > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
>
> > piano.
>
> > > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up
>
> > with
>
> > > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
>
> > > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8
> have
>
> > > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
>
> > don't
>
> > > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
>
> > > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
>
> > stuff
>
> > > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here,
> lemme
>
> > > > know.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
>
> > interesting
>
> > > > and
>
> > > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
>
> > > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
>
> > *bugs*
>
> > > > me.
>
> > > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go
> through
>
> > > > before
>
> > > > > now.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
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Here ya go!
http://www.box.com/s/z92dbc3u4ebpq139yi2q
Well, not 10EDO, but the gliss.  The *setting* is 10EDO, but I'm not hearing it.  I'm hearing glisses between the original tuning (12EDO) and the harmonic series on low C#.
A sampled-string improv was divided into left and right channels, no reverb added for better resynthesis results.  
Two Alchemy instruments were panned left and right, and the mod-wheel was used to gliss between the two tunings (12EDO and C# harmonic series).
The numerical series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6  was mapped to 12EDO fifths:
C#,G#,A,D#,E or F,F#,D,Bb,G,B or C
a 10-note series with two sets of alternate notes on E or F and B or C.
A bowl was smoked.  A woman who done me wrong was contemplated.  A six-minute improv on above series, and, indeed, hilarity, ensued.
The left and right channels were resynthesized separately in 2 Alchemy instruments, using the additive plus spectral settings.  The spectral resyn gets some of that nice bow noise, was made whooshier with a little processing.
Nice, trippy sound, mon.
caleb

--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and Alchemy
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:22 PM

I want to hear that gliss!!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> The tip by Jacky Ligon that Chris forwarded me is just great.  I can now
> resynthesize any sample and, using the mod wheel, gliss between 10EDO
> partials and harmonic partials.
> Only exaggerating *slightly* to say this has changed my life.
> Thanks.
> caleb
>
> --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...m>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and 2032
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:50 AM
>
>
>
> The nice thing about the 2032 softsynth is that it works.  Double-click
> and you're, um, jammin', or rockin', or whatever your predilection.
>
> So, dumb question.
>
> If I put the tuning slider on 720 cents (all the way up) and the other
> slider-thingy on "maximum consonance", I get timbres that are so enharmonic
> they almost have no pitch-center.  This sometimes sounds good, sometimes
> not.
>
> The dumb question:  Would these be the most "consonant" (in scare quotes
> because I'm no longer sure what that means) timbres for 10EDO?
>
> If so, I can use the 2032 as one sound-source, with the great advantage
> that it's really easy to use.
>
> caleb
>
> --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
>
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:33 AM
>
>
>
> Thanks, Chris, got it.
>
> -c
>
> --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
>
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM
>
> Here you go Caleb.
>
> If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid so
>
> slower is easy.
>
> I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav
>
> http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/
>
> Take care,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks, Chris!   Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use them!
>
> > Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
>
> >
>
> > I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
>
> > My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded surprisingly
>
> > awful.  However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning down*
>
> > the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
>
> > My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because the
>
> > self-similar idea lends itself to that.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > Sethares
>
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to
> you.
>
> >
>
> > Let me know,
>
> >
>
> > Chris
>
> >
>
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > **
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks, Chris.  I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
>
> > > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
>
> > > -c
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > > Sethares
>
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Hello Caleb,
>
> > >
>
> > > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
>
> > > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
>
> > > http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
>
> > > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
>
> > supports
>
> > > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
>
> > >
>
> > > Chris
>
> > >
>
> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > **
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thanks for this.  All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
>
> > > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
>
> > > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
>
> > > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO.  So the
>
> > > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents,
>
> > the
>
> > > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
>
> > > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
>
> > > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy.  From my (not too extensive)
>
> > research,
>
> > > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
>
> > worth
>
> > > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
>
> > > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make
> your
>
> > > > own tunings for it.
>
> > > > caleb
>
> > > >
>
> > > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
>
> > > > Sethares
>
> > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> > > >
>
> > > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > YMMV
>
> > > >
>
> > > > CHris
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > **
>
> > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on
>
> > the
>
> > > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to
> the
>
> > > > pieces
>
> > > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good
> stuff,
>
> > > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
>
> > piano.
>
> > > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up
>
> > with
>
> > > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
>
> > > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8
> have
>
> > > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
>
> > don't
>
> > > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
>
> > > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
>
> > stuff
>
> > > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here,
> lemme
>
> > > > know.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
>
> > interesting
>
> > > > and
>
> > > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
>
> > > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
>
> > *bugs*
>
> > > > me.
>
> > > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go
> through
>
> > > > before
>
> > > > > now.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
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HI Caleb,

This has a great sound for ambient work!

Chris

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Here ya go!
> http://www.box.com/s/z92dbc3u4ebpq139yi2q
> Well, not 10EDO, but the gliss. The *setting* is 10EDO, but I'm not
> hearing it. I'm hearing glisses between the original tuning (12EDO) and
> the harmonic series on low C#.
> A sampled-string improv was divided into left and right channels, no
> reverb added for better resynthesis results.
> Two Alchemy instruments were panned left and right, and the mod-wheel was
> used to gliss between the two tunings (12EDO and C# harmonic series).
> The numerical series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6 was mapped to 12EDO fifths:
> C#,G#,A,D#,E or F,F#,D,Bb,G,B or C
> a 10-note series with two sets of alternate notes on E or F and B or C.
> A bowl was smoked. A woman who done me wrong was contemplated. A
> six-minute improv on above series, and, indeed, hilarity, ensued.
> The left and right channels were resynthesized separately in 2 Alchemy
> instruments, using the additive plus spectral settings. The spectral resyn
> gets some of that nice bow noise, was made whooshier with a little
> processing.
> Nice, trippy sound, mon.
> caleb
>
> --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and Alchemy
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:22 PM
>
> I want to hear that gliss!!
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > The tip by Jacky Ligon that Chris forwarded me is just great. I can now
> > resynthesize any sample and, using the mod wheel, gliss between 10EDO
> > partials and harmonic partials.
> > Only exaggerating *slightly* to say this has changed my life.
> > Thanks.
> > caleb
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, consonance, and 2032
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:50 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > The nice thing about the 2032 softsynth is that it works. Double-click
> > and you're, um, jammin', or rockin', or whatever your predilection.
> >
> > So, dumb question.
> >
> > If I put the tuning slider on 720 cents (all the way up) and the other
> > slider-thingy on "maximum consonance", I get timbres that are so
> enharmonic
> > they almost have no pitch-center. This sometimes sounds good, sometimes
> > not.
> >
> > The dumb question: Would these be the most "consonant" (in scare quotes
> > because I'm no longer sure what that means) timbres for 10EDO?
> >
> > If so, I can use the 2032 as one sound-source, with the great advantage
> > that it's really easy to use.
> >
> > caleb
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> >
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Chris, got it.
> >
> > -c
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> > Sethares
> >
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 9:28 PM
> >
> > Here you go Caleb.
> >
> > If you need it played slower for sampling just ask - its recorded as mid
> so
> >
> > slower is easy.
> >
> > I used 3 different timbres and gave you a 320k MP3 and 16-bit wav
> >
> > http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10edoFMTS/
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks, Chris! Yes, I'd like to hear some of those and maybe use
> them!
> >
> > > Mostly, I'm curious what they would sound like.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I just read Mike B's suggestion, and that makes a lot of sense, also.
> >
> > > My attempts at retuning the partials of bells today sounded
> surprisingly
> >
> > > awful. However, Alchemy could still be useful for simply *turning
> down*
> >
> > > the partials, making the waves closer to sines, or chilling them a bit.
> >
> > > My first sketch is going to be sort of fake gamelan texture, because
> the
> >
> > > self-similar idea lends itself to that.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> >
> > > Sethares
> >
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 6:02 PM
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I can make you some 10edo spectrum samples if that would be of use to
> > you.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Let me know,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Chris
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > **
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Thanks, Chris. I should probably get a PC or the emulator software.
> >
> > > > Wish my head weren't exploding from attempted use, already....
> >
> > > > -c
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > --- On Sun, 1/15/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> >
> > > > Sethares
> >
> > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Hello Caleb,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Unfortunately I use a PC. But... if you have access to a PC or a PC
> >
> > > > emulator (parallels?) you might be able to use this
> >
> > > >
> http://www.xen-arts.com/2011/01/new-release-xenharmonic-fmts-vsti.html
> >
> > > > to make samples that you can use in you projects. Xenharmonic FMTS
> >
> > > supports
> >
> > > > Sethares type spectral shaping to specific tunings.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Chris
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > **
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> >
> > > > > I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> >
> > > > > resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting
> the
> >
> > > > > partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So
> the
> >
> > > > > closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720
> cents,
> >
> > > the
> >
> > > > > 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> >
> > > > > This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> >
> > > > > And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive)
> >
> > > research,
> >
> > > > > it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely
> >
> > > worth
> >
> > > > > the money in the 200-dollar range.
> >
> > > > > Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make
> > your
> >
> > > > > own tunings for it.
> >
> > > > > caleb
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for
> Bill
> >
> > > > > Sethares
> >
> > > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > YMMV
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > CHris
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > **
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based
> on
> >
> > > the
> >
> > > > > > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to
> > the
> >
> > > > > pieces
> >
> > > > > > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good
> > stuff,
> >
> > > > > > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on
> >
> > > piano.
> >
> > > > > > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come
> up
> >
> > > with
> >
> > > > > > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my
> first
> >
> > > > > > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8
> > have
> >
> > > > > > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I
> >
> > > don't
> >
> > > > > > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of
> the
> >
> > > > > > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get
> >
> > > stuff
> >
> > > > > > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here,
> > lemme
> >
> > > > > know.
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most
> >
> > > interesting
> >
> > > > > and
> >
> > > > > > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would
> have
> >
> > > > > > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it
> >
> > > *bugs*
> >
> > > > > me.
> >
> > > > > > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go
> > through
> >
> > > > > before
> >
> > > > > > now.
> >
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> >
> > > > > >
> >
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> >
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I forgot - I was asked to do a symphonic organ version of the Dramatic
Squirrel Overture. It was buried in the comments.

So, perhaps, this will be interesting.
http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/daily20110923-10edo_overture_organ.mp3

I think I need Vicent Price to do a reading for me somewhere in this :-)

Chris

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for this. All things 10EDO-ish interest me at the moment.
> I'm attempting a crude experiment in "sensory consonance" by
> resynthesizing some bell-sounds using Alchemy, and hand-adjusting the
> partials so that they coincide with the cent values of 10EDO. So the
> closest thing to the third partial gets adjusted to around 720 cents, the
> 9th partial becomes 240, the 5th partial becomes 480, etc.
> This may be half-baked, but I'll learn something.
> And, I'd highly recommend Alchemy. From my (not too extensive) research,
> it seems to be the best resynthesis plug-in for Mac, and definitely worth
> the money in the 200-dollar range.
> Plus, it has a nice list of tuning presets, and allows you to make your
> own tunings for it.
> caleb
>
> --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...m>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
> Sethares
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:42 PM
>
>
> You may want to add this piece which wasn't on the wiki
>
> http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368
>
> I used the AXiS49 to perform it.
>
> Its called The Dramatic Squirrel Overture.
>
> YMMV
>
> CHris
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, calebmrgn <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in doing a piece at least partly in 10EDO. (Based on the
> > self-similar number series 1,2,9,3,5,0/10,8,4,7,6). Listening to the
> pieces
> > on the 10EDO page of the Xenharmonic wiki, I hear lots of good stuff,
> > including pieces by Messrs. Jones, Sethares, and Vaisvil.
> >
> > To my ear, 10EDO sounds great with the right timbres, but not on piano.
> > Perhaps this is another confirmation of "sensory consonance".
> >
> > I want to investigate the Spectral Synth, and see if I can come up with
> > timbres that work well in 10EDO.
> >
> > **This may be a discussion better conducted off-list, but my first
> > attempts to get Max runtime working on a Mac running OSX 10.5.8 have
> > failed--Max just crashes.**
> >
> > Am I on the right track, with a reasonable chance of success? ("I don't
> > have the heart to lose another fight")
> >
> > I thought this thread could be a discussion about the theory of the
> > interaction between timbre and tuning in general, and how to get stuff
> > working on a Mac in particular. If this isn't appropriate here, lemme
> know.
> >
> > The "Sethares concept" -- if you will -- is to me the most interesting
> and
> > challenging music theory idea I've ever come across, and would have
> > consequences that take me right out of my comfort zone -- so it *bugs*
> me.
> > But it might open some new doors that I've been afraid to go through
> before
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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nice piece Caleb!

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which piece are you responding to?

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> **
>
>
> nice piece Caleb!
>
> ,',',',Kraig Grady,',',',
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>
>

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String Jam Alchemy Resyn.mp3 sorry i am running behind here~

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Vaisvil [mailto:chrisvaisvil@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 03:52 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

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Thank you. I was confused because Caleb didn't have music under this subject.
*

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From: kraiggrady@...
Sender: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:17:34
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill
Sethares

String Jam Alchemy Resyn.mp3 sorry i am running behind here~

,',',',Kraig Grady,',',',
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North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
'''''''South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Vaisvil [mailto:chrisvaisvil@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 03:52 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares

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I multiplied my series by 3 to become 3,6,7,9,5,0,4,2,1,8 and mapped it to 5EDO, or two octaves.

http://www.box.com/s/jyhda8qkbn4f2as1nrjz
It makes for a pretty foolproof sound, I 'spose.
caleb
Oh, sorry for the abomination that was my previous sketch.  I removed it from the Box -- it caused nausea, akathisia, even profound ennui.

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Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill Sethares
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 7:46 PM

Thank you. I was confused because Caleb didn't have music under this subject.

*

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:17:34

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Subject: Re: [MMM] 10EDO, sensory consonance, and a question for Bill

Sethares

String Jam Alchemy Resyn.mp3 sorry i am running behind here~

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