Re: Cakewalk Product Information support

Thank you for your reply. This question of microtonal support came up in the
microtonal composer community.

Unfortunately I (and probably everyone on the microtonal lists I've copied
) will not be purchasing the upgrade because this feature has been removed.
If I am forced to up grade to Z3ta+ 2 w/o microtonal support in a future
Sonar upgrade I'd have to seriously consider if I would want to "upgrade"
Sonar as well.

Z3TA+ has for a long time been a favorite of microtonal composers because it
had native microtonal retuning support. It is unfortunate (and perplexing)
that it has been removed.
Perhaps everyone I have copied will join the forum and request it.

Removal of microtonal capabilities is kind of odd because, with the
exception of East-West, microtonal capabilities have been being added to an
increasing number of software (and hardware) synthesizers and samplers.
Logic and I believe Melodyne actually have microtonal capability built in to
the DAW.

I hope, also, that Cakewalk is not considering removing the ability to score
music in Sonar via music staffs as well. That would also be tragic. I seem
to remember the question in the survey I took a few weeks ago.

Chris

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Cakewalk Customer Service <
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> Unfortunately, this feature has been eliminated because of the new
> architecture. I will send your feature request to the proper department. In
> the future, please submit any and all feature requests using the form below.
> You may want to post this on the Instruments forum as well. The more people
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> *From:* chrisvaisvil@... [mailto:noreply@...]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:12 PM
> *To:* Cakewalk Customer Service
> *Subject:* Cakewalk Product Information support****
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> Name: Chris Vaisvil
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> Does ZETA+ version 2 support scala tuning files like the previous versions
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> Thanks,
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Are these guys running Cakewalk real idiots, or what?

Oz.

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Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> Thank you for your reply. This question of microtonal support came up in the
> microtonal composer community.
>
> Unfortunately I (and probably everyone on the microtonal lists I've copied
> ) will not be purchasing the upgrade because this feature has been removed.
> If I am forced to up grade to Z3ta+ 2 w/o microtonal support in a future
> Sonar upgrade I'd have to seriously consider if I would want to "upgrade"
> Sonar as well.
>
> Z3TA+ has for a long time been a favorite of microtonal composers because it
> had native microtonal retuning support. It is unfortunate (and perplexing)
> that it has been removed.
> Perhaps everyone I have copied will join the forum and request it.
>
> Removal of microtonal capabilities is kind of odd because, with the
> exception of East-West, microtonal capabilities have been being added to an
> increasing number of software (and hardware) synthesizers and samplers.
> Logic and I believe Melodyne actually have microtonal capability built in to
> the DAW.
>
> I hope, also, that Cakewalk is not considering removing the ability to score
> music in Sonar via music staffs as well. That would also be tragic. I seem
> to remember the question in the survey I took a few weeks ago.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Cakewalk Customer Service<
> CakewalkCustomerService@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello Chris, ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Cakewalk.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Unfortunately, this feature has been eliminated because of the new
>> architecture. I will send your feature request to the proper department. In
>> the future, please submit any and all feature requests using the form below.
>> You may want to post this on the Instruments forum as well. The more people
>> that see the request, the more likely its re-implementation may be:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp ****
>>
>> http://forum.cakewalk.com/default.asp ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We appreciate your input.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thank you for choosing Cakewalk!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best Regards, ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Cakewalk Customer Service ****
>>
>> 1-888-CAKEWALK ****
>>
>> http://www.cakewalk.com ****
>>
>> Legends Never Die, Z3TA+2 coming in late July:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLBPRPQxzlk****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> NOTE: If you reply, please do not change the subject line of this email.
>> It may automatically be filtered and deleted as a result.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> If you have further questions or would like to speak with a customer
>> service representative, please call our toll-free sales/service line
>> Monday-Friday 9 AM to 8 PM Eastern time at 1-888-CAKEWALK (1-888-225-3925)
>> or e-mail http://www.cakewalk.com/About/csr.asp. For additional support,
>> product information, trial versions, and purchasing options, please visit
>> our website at www.cakewalk.com.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* chrisvaisvil@... [mailto:noreply@...]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:12 PM
>> *To:* Cakewalk Customer Service
>> *Subject:* Cakewalk Product Information support****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>> Name: Chris Vaisvil
>> Email: chrisvaisvil@...
>> Country: US
>> Serial Number or Order #:
>>
>> Does ZETA+ version 2 support scala tuning files like the previous versions
>> do?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris ****
>>
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I don't think, probably they just behave economically and do what's a
reflection of reality in their consideration - removing unnecessary
functions. Of course unnecessary for the wide public and common music
producers. Why to support few strange people asking such funny thing
like out of tune music?

BTW they are not alone. Yamaha (one of the first manufacturer
supporting microtonality in their products since the end of 80ies)
did the same on synthesizers since EX5 (1998) where only preset
temperaments, not user programmable scales, can be found... Motif XS/
XF has limited microtuning programmability - only 12tone scales, each
tone detuned +/- 99 Cents. Some instruments with automatic style
accompaniment have similar limited microtonality.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Ozan Yarman wrote:

> Are these guys running Cakewalk real idiots, or what?
>
> Oz.
>
> --
> ✩ ✩ ✩
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
>
> Chris Vaisvil wrote:
>> Thank you for your reply. This question of microtonal support came
>> up in the
>> microtonal composer community.
>>
>> Unfortunately I (and probably everyone on the microtonal lists
>> I've copied
>> ) will not be purchasing the upgrade because this feature has been
>> removed.
>> If I am forced to up grade to Z3ta+ 2 w/o microtonal support in a
>> future
>> Sonar upgrade I'd have to seriously consider if I would want to
>> "upgrade"
>> Sonar as well.
>>
>> Z3TA+ has for a long time been a favorite of microtonal composers
>> because it
>> had native microtonal retuning support. It is unfortunate (and
>> perplexing)
>> that it has been removed.
>> Perhaps everyone I have copied will join the forum and request it.
>>
>> Removal of microtonal capabilities is kind of odd because, with the
>> exception of East-West, microtonal capabilities have been being
>> added to an
>> increasing number of software (and hardware) synthesizers and
>> samplers.
>> Logic and I believe Melodyne actually have microtonal capability
>> built in to
>> the DAW.
>>
>> I hope, also, that Cakewalk is not considering removing the
>> ability to score
>> music in Sonar via music staffs as well. That would also be
>> tragic. I seem
>> to remember the question in the survey I took a few weeks ago.
>>
>> Chris