Five microtonal canons for Organ

Hello, I am new to the list.
I have written five microtonal organ canons:
temperament is meantone, with 31 quarter comma fifths and C in 14th position.
They are tuned with Scala and implemented with Timidity++.
Here are the links to YouTube videos, with music scores:

1) Claudi Meneghin: Canon at the "minor second" on an ancient Padanian folk theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEeKltGny04

2) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in A- upon a ground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE9scGcU90

3) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" at the "diminished fifth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_YVhwArGTI

4) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in F at the octave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEpCWkxSsM

5) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in G- at "the major seventh"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKeFLgbngY

Only canons 1), 3) and 5) are fully microtonal, in that they use almost or all of the 31 notes into which the octave is divided.
Canon 2) is more of early a baroque spirit, but uses "diminished fourth" and other kinds of "meantone" dissonances; canon 2) is firmly in F but has some kind of blues reminiscences.
The use of the classical names of intervals is for the sake of simplicity only.
Enjoy!
Best wishes,
Claudi Meneghin
PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear more microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music, using different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "clamengh" <clamengh@...> wrote:

> PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear more microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music, using different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.

If you thought Pachelbel's Canon in D wouldn't make sense in 7-limit JI you could see if this version would change your mind.

Hi Claudi,

Thanks for sharing! I like your canons, especially
the first one. I also like this page which I think
you wrote (?)

http://www.squidoo.com/tuning-systems

Especially the polls here are interesting and I urge
all list members to check it out!

-Carl

At 03:12 AM 6/14/2011, you wrote:
>Hello, I am new to the list.
>I have written five microtonal organ canons:
>temperament is meantone, with 31 quarter comma fifths and C in 14th position.
>They are tuned with Scala and implemented with Timidity++.
>Here are the links to YouTube videos, with music scores:
>
>1) Claudi Meneghin: Canon at the "minor second" on an ancient Padanian
>folk theme
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEeKltGny04
>
>2) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in A- upon a ground
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE9scGcU90
>
>3) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" at the
>"diminished fifth"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_YVhwArGTI
>
>4) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in F at the octave
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEpCWkxSsM
>
>5) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in G- at "the major seventh"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKeFLgbngY
>
>Only canons 1), 3) and 5) are fully microtonal, in that they use
>almost or all of the 31 notes into which the octave is divided.
>Canon 2) is more of early a baroque spirit, but uses "diminished
>fourth" and other kinds of "meantone" dissonances; canon 2) is firmly
>in F but has some kind of blues reminiscences.
>The use of the classical names of intervals is for the sake of simplicity only.
>Enjoy!
>Best wishes,
>Claudi Meneghin
>PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear
>more microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music,
>using different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.
>

genewardsmith>If you thought Pachelbel's Canon in D wouldn't make sense in 7-limit JI you could see if this version would change your mind.

Many thanks for your appreciation.
Here are two links, I advise the first for those who want to listen to the septimal version and see mountain views from Switzerland as well...

Septimal only (higher pitch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQmaxDIxnc

Septimal+Meantone+12-equal (with music score):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2I1zNw2w-c

I am sure everybody knows about the so called "Warped canon" page:
http://www.prismnet.com/~hmiller/music/warped-canon.html
Many tunings are explored there.

By reading the preceeding messages, I suspect this is a matter potentially open rising polemics, so I apologise in advance... but I even crafted a septimal version of the "Air on G-string":
Lehman+Septimal+Meantone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVduNj6b8ds
Septimal only, with organ images:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N77fi01JRHw

Thank you.
Best wishes.

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Claudi wrote:

>Septimal only (higher pitch)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQmaxDIxnc
>

I think that's the best JI rendition of the canon I've
ever heard. -Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Claudi wrote:
>
> >Septimal only (higher pitch)
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQmaxDIxnc
> >
>
> I think that's the best JI rendition of the canon I've
> ever heard. -Carl

What I found remarkable was how right the septimal C sounded in a piece which could be regarded as epitomizing the 5-limit.

It sounds good to me as well - please excuse my ignorance and explain what a
septimal C is?
Is this to indicate a 7-limit interval?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:18 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...>wrote:

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> What I found remarkable was how right the septimal C sounded in a piece
> which could be regarded as epitomizing the 5-limit.
>
>
>
>

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Hi Claudi,

If you are using Timidity you may be in need of sound fonts - I have
gigabytes of free sound fonts at this address
http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/sfbank/

I thought all of your cannons are pretty cool. I think I liked the first one
best.

Chris

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:12 AM, clamengh <clamengh@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hello, I am new to the list.
> I have written five microtonal organ canons:
> temperament is meantone, with 31 quarter comma fifths and C in 14th
> position.
> They are tuned with Scala and implemented with Timidity++.
> Here are the links to YouTube videos, with music scores:
>
> 1) Claudi Meneghin: Canon at the "minor second" on an ancient Padanian folk
> theme
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEeKltGny04
>
> 2) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in A- upon a ground
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE9scGcU90
>
> 3) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" at the
> "diminished fifth"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_YVhwArGTI
>
> 4) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in F at the octave
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEpCWkxSsM
>
> 5) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in G- at "the major seventh"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKeFLgbngY
>
> Only canons 1), 3) and 5) are fully microtonal, in that they use almost or
> all of the 31 notes into which the octave is divided.
> Canon 2) is more of early a baroque spirit, but uses "diminished fourth"
> and other kinds of "meantone" dissonances; canon 2) is firmly in F but has
> some kind of blues reminiscences.
> The use of the classical names of intervals is for the sake of simplicity
> only.
> Enjoy!
> Best wishes,
> Claudi Meneghin
> PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear more
> microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music, using
> different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.
>
>
>

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Isn't it natural mixolydian C (in D major piece) which starts to appear near end of the work?

Tuning of this example is good, but mechanic computer performance is a shame. Why not to use some velocity and tempo changes, and different note lengths (articulation) to add more life to it? And also to work with the sound and registration changes - pipe organ have more than one sound :-) In recent form it's pretty boring and far from the "best performance".

Daniel Forro

On Jun 18, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

> It sounds good to me as well - please excuse my ignorance and > explain what a
> septimal C is?
> Is this to indicate a 7-limit interval?
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:18 AM, genewardsmith
> <genewardsmith@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> What I found remarkable was how right the septimal C sounded in a >> piece
>> which could be regarded as epitomizing the 5-limit.

Hi Carl,
many thanks for your appreciation for the canons and the squidoo page about tuning systems, which indeed was written by me.
Best wishes,
Claudi

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Claudi,
>
> Thanks for sharing! I like your canons, especially
> the first one. I also like this page which I think
> you wrote (?)
>
> http://www.squidoo.com/tuning-systems
>
> Especially the polls here are interesting and I urge
> all list members to check it out!
>
> -Carl
>

Many thanks once more to Carl and Gene for their appraisal.
In Pachelbel's canon, it seems to me that the "septimal" C could be deemed..."natural", in that it occours in a dominant-seven-chord context which is close to the "natural" phenomenon of a vibrating string (or pipe) with its overtones.
The use of septimal C in Bach's air seems much less "natural", since it comes to be employed in "diminished-seventh" chords. The harmonies arising, however, do seem to me quite fascinating.
I am now working to a rendition of Mozart's "Ave Verum Corpus" which has dominant ninth chords: it will be interesting to see which tuning will sound better.
Best wishes,
Claudi

Claudi wrote:

>Septimal only (higher pitch)
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=HzQmaxDIxnc
>

I think that's the best JI rendition of the canon I've
ever heard. -Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@ yahoogroups. com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Claudi wrote:
>
> >Septimal only (higher pitch)
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=HzQmaxDIxnc
> >
>
> I think that's the best JI rendition of the canon I've
> ever heard. -Carl

What I found remarkable was how right the septimal C sounded in a piece which could be regarded as epitomizing the 5-limit.

Chris Vaisvil > It sounds good to me as well - please excuse my ignorance and explain what a septimal C is? Is this to indicate a 7-limit interval?

Chris Vaisvil > I thought all of your cannons are pretty cool. I think I liked the first one best.

Claudi: Many thanks! Yes, C is crafted as the seventh overtone of D, which is the tonic for this piece (then C is normalised to fit into an octave, so that C/D=7/4)

Chris Vaisvil > Hi Claudi, If you are using Timidity you may be in need of sound fonts - I have gigabytes of free sound fonts at this address...

Yes, definitely! Many thanks for the link.
Claudi

Daniel Forro > Isn't it natural mixolydian C (in D major piece) which starts to appear near end of the work? Tuning of this example is good, but mechanic computer performance is a shame. Why not to use some velocity and tempo changes, and different note lengths (articulation) to add more life to it? And also to work with the sound and registration changes - pipe organ have more than one sound :-) In recent form it's pretty boring and far from the "best performance".

Claudi: Well, it seems to me that the Greek modes didn't involve the 7/4 ratio (which is C/D in this example), but of course I could be wrong: I am far from an expert of that matter.
Best wishes.
Claudi

These are very charming microtonal contrapuntal works! This is the kind
of clockwork microtonality (aside from the tribal sounds pursued by a
minority here) that I would very much welcome.

Cordially,
Dr. Oz.
(Now elected unanimously Assoc. Prof. in Musicology and Music Theory!)

--

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

clamengh wrote:
> Hello, I am new to the list.
> I have written five microtonal organ canons:
> temperament is meantone, with 31 quarter comma fifths and C in 14th position.
> They are tuned with Scala and implemented with Timidity++.
> Here are the links to YouTube videos, with music scores:
>
> 1) Claudi Meneghin: Canon at the "minor second" on an ancient Padanian folk theme
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEeKltGny04
>
> 2) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in A- upon a ground
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE9scGcU90
>
> 3) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" at the "diminished fifth"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_YVhwArGTI
>
> 4) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in F at the octave
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEpCWkxSsM
>
> 5) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in G- at "the major seventh"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKeFLgbngY
>
> Only canons 1), 3) and 5) are fully microtonal, in that they use almost or all of the 31 notes into which the octave is divided.
> Canon 2) is more of early a baroque spirit, but uses "diminished fourth" and other kinds of "meantone" dissonances; canon 2) is firmly in F but has some kind of blues reminiscences.
> The use of the classical names of intervals is for the sake of simplicity only.
> Enjoy!
> Best wishes,
> Claudi Meneghin
> PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear more microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music, using different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.
>
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Many thanks for your warm appreciation! By making microtonal practice, I noted that you can resort to much more consonances and types of harmony than you can do in 12 edo music.
Hence, I am moving towards the direction you correctly called "clockwork microtonality".
I am now working on some pieces more (firmly "tonal" in spirit), but they're still not ready at all. I'll post any updates as soon as they are available.
Best wishes,
Claudi

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> These are very charming microtonal contrapuntal works! This is the kind
> of clockwork microtonality (aside from the tribal sounds pursued by a
> minority here) that I would very much welcome.
>
> Cordially,
> Dr. Oz.
> (Now elected unanimously Assoc. Prof. in Musicology and Music Theory!)

> ✩ ✩ ✩
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
>
> clamengh wrote:
> > Hello, I am new to the list.
> > I have written five microtonal organ canons:
> > temperament is meantone, with 31 quarter comma fifths and C in 14th position.
> > They are tuned with Scala and implemented with Timidity++.
> > Here are the links to YouTube videos, with music scores:
> >
> > 1) Claudi Meneghin: Canon at the "minor second" on an ancient Padanian folk theme
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEeKltGny04
> >
> > 2) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in A- upon a ground
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE9scGcU90
> >
> > 3) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" at the "diminished fifth"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_YVhwArGTI
> >
> > 4) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in F at the octave
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEpCWkxSsM
> >
> > 5) Claudi Meneghin: Canon 2 in 1 in G- at "the major seventh"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKeFLgbngY
> >
> > Only canons 1), 3) and 5) are fully microtonal, in that they use almost or all of the 31 notes into which the octave is divided.
> > Canon 2) is more of early a baroque spirit, but uses "diminished fourth" and other kinds of "meantone" dissonances; canon 2) is firmly in F but has some kind of blues reminiscences.
> > The use of the classical names of intervals is for the sake of simplicity only.
> > Enjoy!
> > Best wishes,
> > Claudi Meneghin
> > PS By clicking on the YouTube user link, you will be able to see/hear more microtonal arrangements of Bach, Pachelbel and Paradies music, using different kinds of tunings, including "septimal" ones.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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