Hasta la Vista for now...

I've had a lot on my plate lately, and it only seems to be getting more-so.

I've decided to drop off the radar of these Yahoo groups...if anyone needs
to reach me try private email, or I'm still following the lighter traffic at
the Xenharmonic Alliance on FB.

Wishing you all the best,
AKJ

--
Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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Speaking of FB: Is the xenharmonic allinace there meanwhile a recommandable place? I have, til now, resisted making an account on FB - so far, I am quite well with Yahoo. But if there are good reasons and/or someone not on FB would miss a lot, I might change my mind. Should I?

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a lot on my plate lately, and it only seems to be getting
> more-so.
>
> I've decided to drop off the radar of these Yahoo groups...if
> anyone needs to reach me try private email, or I'm still following
> the lighter traffic at the Xenharmonic Alliance on FB.
>
> Wishing you all the best,
> AKJ
>
> --
> Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.akjmusic.com
> http://www.untwelve.org
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Hans,

My take: It's nice to have people's photos - it changes the
dynamic. If you remember the xenharmonic ning it's a lot
like that.

However a big drawback in my opinion is that the system is
entirely proprietary. Already once all comments have been
erased (from 2010 I believe). There is furthermore no way
to search discussions. Yahoo isn't great but their search
now works pretty good, and all messages are archived.
Furthermore we can each archive mailing list messages in
our e-mail clients.

There are open source facebook-like things, like vanilla
forums
http://vanillaforums.org
if anyone is feeling ambitious.

-Carl

At 04:24 AM 6/6/2011, you wrote:
>Speaking of FB: Is the xenharmonic allinace there meanwhile a
>recommandable place? I have, til now, resisted making an account on FB
>- so far, I am quite well with Yahoo. But if there are good reasons
>and/or someone not on FB would miss a lot, I might change my mind.
>Should I?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> My take: It's nice to have people's photos - it changes the
> dynamic. If you remember the xenharmonic ning it's a lot
> like that.
>
> However a big drawback in my opinion is that the system is
> entirely proprietary. Already once all comments have been
> erased (from 2010 I believe). There is furthermore no way
> to search discussions. Yahoo isn't great but their search
> now works pretty good, and all messages are archived.
> Furthermore we can each archive mailing list messages in
> our e-mail clients.
>
> There are open source facebook-like things, like vanilla
> forums
> http://vanillaforums.org
> if anyone is feeling ambitious.
>
> -Carl
>

There are ways to archive FB (assuming the format doesn't change greatly, I
guess); for instance,
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-backup-archive-all-your-facebook-data/. I
guess the questions are, would it be worth it? who would do it? and would
that be the best way to run that sort of thing?

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Daniel Nielsen wrote:

>There are ways to archive FB (assuming the format doesn't change greatly, I
>guess); for instance,
>http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-backup-archive-all-your-facebook-data/. I
>guess the questions are, would it be worth it? who would do it? and would
>that be the best way to run that sort of thing?

That's really hokey and it doesn't look like it works
with facebook groups. In fact it's from 2009 and I'd
be surprised if it works at all.

Last year Facebook itself launched a "download your data"
feature. But it only includes your photos and wall, not
comments or groups.

Facebook pushes code at least once a week, if not every
day. This kind of thing is doomed from the start.

-Carl

I'm not on Facebook and don't want to join. The XA group there used to be public access but now I just get a 'sign in' page. Why the change? It's frustrating having so much stuff hidden away in the all-consuming monster that is Facebook. I feel like I am being forced to sign up to this monster.

Please can the Facebook XA return to being public access?

Mat C

Indeed. I'm always confused by the privacy complaints.
Facebook is the most private thing on the web. In fact it's
so private it can't be searched. Their URLs are temporary
and sometimes even unique to your particular browser session.
In fact the entire site seems to run out of memcached and
anything in the db behind that is essentially irretrievable.

To save space they downsample and re-jpeg all photos at very
low quality (even gifs and pngs, sometimes even making them
much larger in the process). Paul Erlich's been uploading
his diagrams and they're hardly legible at times.

HTTP, REST, and HTML have been hijacked by businesses and
professional programmers and turned into an API (and a pretty
awkward one in my opinion). The web isn't really the web
anymore. The closest thing is wikipedia. See also
http://lumma.org/microwave/#2010.08.14

-Carl

Mat C wrote:

>I'm not on Facebook and don't want to join. The XA group there used to
>be public access but now I just get a 'sign in' page. Why the change?
>It's frustrating having so much stuff hidden away in the all-consuming
>monster that is Facebook. I feel like I am being forced to sign up to
>this monster.
>
>Please can the Facebook XA return to being public access?
>
>Mat C

There are many short-comings to the Facebook platform, and I'm not keen on the formatting there, but there are many people contributing there that are not active on the Yahoo forums. This alone makes it worthwhile to me. There are lots of outside perspectives and I enjoy the frequent contributions there by Paul Erlich, Johnny Reinhard, Kraig Grady, Ron Sword, etc. It's not good for really in-depth discussions, but it's good for short and mostly-friendly exchanges of ideas and exposure to wider perspectives than one tends to get here. I am often reminded there that the most active composers don't worry so much about the rigors of theory that we hash out on the Tuning List. They all have their own approaches, which despite containing some logical warts and inconsistencies seem to perennially bare fruit in music.

-Igs

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> My take: It's nice to have people's photos - it changes the
> dynamic. If you remember the xenharmonic ning it's a lot
> like that.
>
> However a big drawback in my opinion is that the system is
> entirely proprietary. Already once all comments have been
> erased (from 2010 I believe). There is furthermore no way
> to search discussions. Yahoo isn't great but their search
> now works pretty good, and all messages are archived.
> Furthermore we can each archive mailing list messages in
> our e-mail clients.
>
> There are open source facebook-like things, like vanilla
> forums
> http://vanillaforums.org
> if anyone is feeling ambitious.
>
> -Carl
>
> At 04:24 AM 6/6/2011, you wrote:
> >Speaking of FB: Is the xenharmonic allinace there meanwhile a
> >recommandable place? I have, til now, resisted making an account on FB
> >- so far, I am quite well with Yahoo. But if there are good reasons
> >and/or someone not on FB would miss a lot, I might change my mind.
> >Should I?
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> My take: It's nice to have people's photos - it changes the
> dynamic. If you remember the xenharmonic ning it's a lot
> like that.

Biggest advantage is that Paul Erlich is there, but not here. Also, there are others I see here only occasionally but commonly there.

As administrator of the old XA facebook group, I was given the option to upgrade to the 'new group'. Features are different, and I don't know if I like it any better, and of course there's no going back :S Group chat is nice, but it sucks that you can't see stuff without being a member of FB, even when it's set to be an "open group".

I've had some conversations with Tyler Henthorn (a friend of Ron Sword) about installing Drupal on one of "our" servers, and equipping it with a music-sharing player like the Ning site had, plus some kind of intelligent scale/tuning collaborative database. I'm not terribly psyched about Drupal, and am just now learning the basics of PHP/MySQL in case some custom programming needs to be done, but I'm hopeful. So sit tight, Mat.

As a member of the board of UnTwelve, I think of my work on the "Xenharmonic Alliance" as an informal, loose extension of UnTwelve's mission (and of Ivor Darreg's original spirit).

Although I habitually subscribe to a "those who do the work make the decisions" ethic (which I'm uncomfortable with because it's actually not different from capitalism), I'm always happy to hear insights on which new ways of organizing information & people "WE" think will lead to an increased amount of [microtonal] creative activity. Hence my recent work organizing a (first ever?) Xenharmonic Praxis Summer Camp, where I'm sure we'll all learn everything there is to know about Sagittal notation and singing 100/99 comma pumps. Still some spots open, people!

But all of that has distracted me from composing for years now. Not for much longer, I think.

Jacob

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "ixlramp" <ixlramp@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not on Facebook and don't want to join. The XA group there used to be public access but now I just get a 'sign in' page. Why the change? It's frustrating having so much stuff hidden away in the all-consuming monster that is Facebook. I feel like I am being forced to sign up to this monster.
>
> Please can the Facebook XA return to being public access?
>
> Mat C
>

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:40 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > My take: It's nice to have people's photos - it changes the
> > dynamic. If you remember the xenharmonic ning it's a lot
> > like that.
>
> Biggest advantage is that Paul Erlich is there, but not here. Also, there are others I see here only occasionally but commonly there.

It has a nice vibe in general. I sometimes get theory ideas by
observing how people over there naturally tend to apply the theory
from over here. It's really refreshing to stop talking about
psychoacoustics for a change and see what musicians do if you just
throw some cool scales at them, especially musicians who are
unencumbered with the psychoacoustics vs learning debate.

It's also pretty neat how there are lots of newcomers hanging out over
there that are quickly picking up on this stuff. I've seen a few high
school-aged kids over there as well. This stuff is really taking off.

-Mike

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "piccolosandcheese" <udderbot@...> wrote:

> Although I habitually subscribe to a "those who do the work make the decisions" ethic (which I'm uncomfortable with because it's actually not different from capitalism)

How is that capitalism? I don't see the working class (=those doing the
actual work) making the decisions. :D

Kalle

As I found out - its not hard to install something like Drupal - keeping on
top of the upgrades and other maintenance is.

NotOnlyMusic was taken down because I had a problem with spammers posting
at will that took more expertise and time than I had to deal with after the
technical person left. So, the advantage of Ning was the fact that these
issues were taken care of for you.

Ning is so expensive though.... $50 / mo or $500 yr

Now.... I have been able to keep my Wordpress installation spam free - let
me look into what it would take to install a wordpress multiuser site for a
revived XA. Give me a day.

Chris

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:40 AM, piccolosandcheese <udderbot@...>wrote:

>
>
> As administrator of the old XA facebook group, I was given the option to
> upgrade to the 'new group'. Features are different, and I don't know if I
> like it any better, and of course there's no going back :S Group chat is
> nice, but it sucks that you can't see stuff without being a member of FB,
> even when it's set to be an "open group".
>
> I've had some conversations with Tyler Henthorn (a friend of Ron Sword)
> about installing Drupal on one of "our" servers, and equipping it with a
> music-sharing player like the Ning site had, plus some kind of intelligent
> scale/tuning collaborative database. I'm not terribly psyched about Drupal,
> and am just now learning the basics of PHP/MySQL in case some custom
> programming needs to be done, but I'm hopeful. So sit tight, Mat.
>
> As a member of the board of UnTwelve, I think of my work on the
> "Xenharmonic Alliance" as an informal, loose extension of UnTwelve's mission
> (and of Ivor Darreg's original spirit).
>
> Although I habitually subscribe to a "those who do the work make the
> decisions" ethic (which I'm uncomfortable with because it's actually not
> different from capitalism), I'm always happy to hear insights on which new
> ways of organizing information & people "WE" think will lead to an increased
> amount of [microtonal] creative activity. Hence my recent work organizing a
> (first ever?) Xenharmonic Praxis Summer Camp, where I'm sure we'll all learn
> everything there is to know about Sagittal notation and singing 100/99 comma
> pumps. Still some spots open, people!
>
> But all of that has distracted me from composing for years now. Not for
> much longer, I think.
>
> Jacob
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "ixlramp" <ixlramp@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not on Facebook and don't want to join. The XA group there used to be
> public access but now I just get a 'sign in' page. Why the change? It's
> frustrating having so much stuff hidden away in the all-consuming monster
> that is Facebook. I feel like I am being forced to sign up to this monster.
> >
> > Please can the Facebook XA return to being public access?
> >
> > Mat C
> >
>
>
>

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At 02:11 AM 6/7/2011, you wrote:

>> Although I habitually subscribe to a "those who do the work make the
>>decisions" ethic (which I'm uncomfortable with because it's actually
>>not different from capitalism)
>
>How is that capitalism? I don't see the working class (=those doing the
>actual work) making the decisions. :D
>
>Kalle

Can we keep the politics off-list please? -Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> At 02:11 AM 6/7/2011, you wrote:
>
> >> Although I habitually subscribe to a "those who do the work make the
> >>decisions" ethic (which I'm uncomfortable with because it's actually
> >>not different from capitalism)
> >
> >How is that capitalism? I don't see the working class (=those doing the
> >actual work) making the decisions. :D
> >
> >Kalle
>
> Can we keep the politics off-list please? -Carl

That was a joke, Carl. But I agree with you.

Kalle

> Is the xenharmonic allinace there meanwhile a recommandable place?

Seems to be the only place Elaine Walker posts. If it wasn't for the formerly public FB XA I wouldn't know about her vertical keyboards:
http://verticalkeyboards.com/

Mat C

Okay thanks for the response Jacob! :)

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "piccolosandcheese" <udderbot@...> wrote:
>
> As administrator of the old XA facebook group, I was given the option to upgrade to the 'new group'. Features are different, and I don't know if I like it any better, and of course there's no going back :S Group chat is nice, but it sucks that you can't see stuff without being a member of FB, even when it's set to be an "open group".
>
> I've had some conversations with Tyler Henthorn (a friend of Ron Sword) about installing Drupal on one of "our" servers, and equipping it with a music-sharing player like the Ning site had, plus some kind of intelligent scale/tuning collaborative database. I'm not terribly psyched about Drupal, and am just now learning the basics of PHP/MySQL in case some custom programming needs to be done, but I'm hopeful. So sit tight, Mat.
> Jacob

I missed "but I'm hopeful. So sit tight, Mat."

Hope it works out!

Chris

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:35 PM, ixlramp <ixlramp@...> wrote:

>
>
> Okay thanks for the response Jacob! :)
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "piccolosandcheese" <udderbot@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > As administrator of the old XA facebook group, I was given the option to
> upgrade to the 'new group'. Features are different, and I don't know if I
> like it any better, and of course there's no going back :S Group chat is
> nice, but it sucks that you can't see stuff without being a member of FB,
> even when it's set to be an "open group".
> >
> > I've had some conversations with Tyler Henthorn (a friend of Ron Sword)
> about installing Drupal on one of "our" servers, and equipping it with a
> music-sharing player like the Ning site had, plus some kind of intelligent
> scale/tuning collaborative database. I'm not terribly psyched about Drupal,
> and am just now learning the basics of PHP/MySQL in case some custom
> programming needs to be done, but I'm hopeful. So sit tight, Mat.
> > Jacob
>
>
>

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Hello AKJ, I am visiting Chicago from June 18th to June 24th 2013 and would very much like to meet you.
Cheers
Dominique

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a lot on my plate lately, and it only seems to be getting more-so.
>
> I've decided to drop off the radar of these Yahoo groups...if anyone needs
> to reach me try private email, or I'm still following the lighter traffic at
> the Xenharmonic Alliance on FB.
>
> Wishing you all the best,
> AKJ
>
> --
> Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.akjmusic.com
> http://www.untwelve.org
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>