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Hello Dr. Oz

I use ProTools for my recording engineering.

I think it is the best for recording and audio
production.

best

-Joel

--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:

From: Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
Subject: [MMM] The ideal microtonal music studio?
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, microtonal@..., justintonation@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:54 PM

Hi everyone,

I would like to spark the scene with what I think to be a daring and

long-neglected question... My apologies if it has been asked and

answered before.

What is the ideal equipment and setup to build (from scratch) a truly

microtonal music dedicated pro-audio production studio?

I was thinking among the lines of 100,000 US dollars as the final cost.

Any comments welcome!

Cordially,

Dr. Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩

www.ozanyarman.com

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

With a budget like that here is what I suggest.

Put aside 5 to 7 thousand for computer recording software and the best
computer you can find with as much memory as you can find.

then

Invest in at least a pair of the best microphones you can find and a high
end (Mackie) mixer.
And as many acoustic or self-contained electronic microtonal instruments you
can find. One purchase would be that movable fret classical guitar by your
Turkish countryman.

Why?

Because computers and computer software become obsolete at a frightening
pace and end up being a money pit.

And generally an instrument will be playable for a very long time.

I recently invested in my studio and I have to say that I feel best with the
instrument purchases (or modifications) compared to the software I bought.
However, my budget was much smaller.

Chris

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to spark the scene with what I think to be a daring and
> long-neglected question... My apologies if it has been asked and answered
> before.
>
> What is the ideal equipment and setup to build (from scratch) a truly
> microtonal music dedicated pro-audio production studio?
>
> I was thinking among the lines of 100,000 US dollars as the final cost.
>
> Any comments welcome!
>
> Cordially,
> Dr. Oz.
>
> --
>
> ✩ ✩ ✩
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
>

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🔗Joey Di Nardo <username652719@...>

I'd imagine the answer would be based on the exact same things non-microtonally specific studio are based on, particularly fidelity and a preference for more complex timbres.

All one truly needs is a digital oscillator, calculator, and maybe a sequencer. The price skyrockets only when you're unhappy with a basic solution, or wish to impress.

I simply mean one man's "ideal" is not anoter's, so it is certainly a daring question.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...> wrote:

> Hello Dr. Oz
>
> I use ProTools for my recording engineering.
>
> I think it is the best for recording and audio
> production.
>
> best
>
> -Joel
>
> --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> From: Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
> Subject: [MMM] The ideal microtonal music studio?
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, microtonal@..., justintonation@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 7:54 PM
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to spark the scene with what I think to be a daring and
>
> long-neglected question... My apologies if it has been asked and
>
> answered before.
>
> What is the ideal equipment and setup to build (from scratch) a truly
>
> microtonal music dedicated pro-audio production studio?
>
> I was thinking among the lines of 100,000 US dollars as the final cost.
>
> Any comments welcome!
>
> Cordially,
>
> Dr. Oz.
>
> --
>
> ✩ ✩ ✩
>
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

For who and for what purpose?

Whatever I might say is 'ideal' would possibly never be someone else's
ideal, and vice-versa. All this would do is start a flame war over gear and
gear aesthetics.

Now, talking about certain things like mikes and mixers, where you can have
objective performance measurements and dollar figures, that makes more
sense.

I happen to know that one can get by on the tiniest basic set of tools if
one is imaginative, and has some skill at performing and recording. The most
important tools are one's own imagination, intelligence and passion, as
cliched as that is. Furthermore, these qualities tend to shine through
regardless of the fancy equipment. Look at what the Beatles did on Sgt
Pepper with what by today's standards was a 4-track bedroom studio.Okay,
they did have isolation booths, which counts for something...but still.

You can have a $100,000 studio and produce glistening turds with
professional glistening equipment, but they will still be turds. ;)

AKJ

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to spark the scene with what I think to be a daring and
> long-neglected question... My apologies if it has been asked and
> answered before.
>
> What is the ideal equipment and setup to build (from scratch) a truly
> microtonal music dedicated pro-audio production studio?
>
> I was thinking among the lines of 100,000 US dollars as the final cost.
>
> Any comments welcome!
>
> Cordially,
> Dr. Oz.
>
> --
>
> ✩ ✩ ✩
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
>
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>
>
>
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--
Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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🔗lobawad <lobawad@...>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>

My sincerest gratitude for responses from Jim Aikin, Robert Thomas
Martin, Joel Hickman, Chris Vaisvil, Joey Di Nardo, Aaron Krister
Johnson and Lobawad (whom I understand to be our very own Cameron Bobro)
regarding their insightful recommendations to my question!

I agree with AKJ that "cutting-edge" is usually misunderstood as the
most juicy and expensive gadgetery. It is without an ounce of doubt that
beautiful recordings can be made with as simple a tool as a freely
available vintage FM synth out there such as Kontakt FM7. In this
regard, I find the mentioned Kurzweil Flagship and Korg Kronos to be
bloated keyboards whose various capabilities are readily reproduced with
lesser cost quad-core Macs running the right DAW and plug-ins (or
standalones). Add to this better microtonal control using the right
software... It is a shame that a single joystick design is implemented
even today to awkwardly force the pitch bend of all MIDI notes
simultaneously! These companies understand nothing of the power of xentones.

Upon Jim's suggestion, I wonder if a Flagship microsynth from Starr Labs
is velocity-sensitive? I know Aaron Andrew Hunt has not yet implemented
velocity-sensitive buttons to his Tonal-Plexus and U-Plex models. The
Haaken Continuum Keyboard is also tagging my mind. There is also the
forgotten John Allen NoteBender if it is still around.

I also agree with Lobawad that space is very much neglected in favour of
electronic apparatus. A biased half of the budget (if not more) should
actually be invested in space design. Ambience is everything in
acoustics.That leaves me with less than 50,000 dollars for the equipment
and computers.

Though the cent increment is sufficient for you Robert, I wouldn't
settle for anything less than 0.1 cents. Most, if not all of the gear
should be able to operate with precise pitch resolutions.

Joel seems to prefer ProTools. I've seen it once or twice. It's
definitely big and expensive, not to mention slick and smooth. But what
is the most economical Studio-starter pack I ponder? I mean, of course,
a software-hardware bundle for both a Mac and a PC hooked together to
the Studio. I've seen ProTools + Mbox for a 1000 Euros. What else would
you good folk recommend? Perhaps sticking with Logic Pro or even Ableton
Live?

Chris made some very clever suggestions. As you can tell Chris, the
Studio should contain a backup PC unit running Windows 7 just in case
the Mac gives us grief. Or else, an extra working booth with the PC in
it could yield double work seances. In my opinion, a Mac should go with
either Logic Pro or ProTools or both. An extra license for the PC
wouldn't hurt (unless cost is an issue). But if we go with ProTools, the
natural choice lies with C24 control surface (10000 USD), no? Or else,
you will perhaps tell me that the same quality can be achieved for less.

Joey appeals to my senses with a basic and sufficient solution. Why not
indeed cut back on the needless fancy electronics and stick with the
essentials? Same as AKJ said. A couple of really good mics with a few
acoustic instruments and self-contained micro-friendly electronic synths
(H-Pi TonalPlexus for instance) will work wonders with a wholly vast
space and a really solid computer recording environment (Mac Pro,
ProTools+gear, Monitors, sound insulation).

I'm also thinking, next to Tolgahan's guitar, a trombone, clarinet,
kemenche, ud... If money permits.

Of course, the whole thing should be built so as to allow expansion.

Here, I really would like a second opinion from AKJ and gang to fill in
the untouched blanks with an imaginative set of unpretentious but
capable digital tools to effectuate a microtonal-oriented
recording/mixing studio.

Thanks!
Oz.

Perhaps a comparison is in order. The Istanbul Technical University
Advanced Music Research Centre called MIAM (www.miam.itu.edu.tr) has a
recording studio built in 2008 with an overkill stack of equipment out
of which this is a partial list:

MICROPHONES
Neumann M149 (2)
Neumann U87Ai (2)
Neumann KM184 (2)
Earthworks QTC1 (2)
Royer SF-1 Ribbon mics (2)
DPA(B&K) microphones 4006 (2)
AKG C414BTLII (4)
AKG D112
Shure PZM
Shure SM57 (7)
Shure Beta 58A (3)
Sennheiser 421 (3)

OUTBOARD GEAR AND MIC PREAMPS
Grace Design (8ch.)
Manley Labs (2ch.)
Millenia Media (2ch.)
Great River MP2NV (2ch.)
Drawmer 1960 (2ch.)
Joemeek (2ch.)
Presonus (16ch.)
Apogee Trak2 (2ch.)
Sony DRE-S777 sampling reverb
Eventide Orville
Manley Voxbox (2)
Manley Massive Passive EQ
Manley Variable-Mu Compressor
tc electronic M3000
Lexicon MPX550
Sherman Filter Bank 2
Sans Amp Pro

SYNTHS AND TONE GENERATORS
Korg Triton ProX (2)
Waldorf Q
Yamaha EX5R
Kurzweil PC-88mx
Kurzweil K2600RS (fully expanded)
Clavia Nord Lead 3 Keyboard
Clavia Nord Lead 2 Rack
Roland Handsonic Percussion Pad
Digidesign SampleCells (3)

ADDITIONAL DEVICES
Tascam DA-98HR
Tascam DA-45HR (3)
Tascam DA-P1 (2)
Yamaha 02Rv2
Yamaha 01V
Mackie 24-ch 4-buss mixer
Oram Octamix

LIVE ROOM EQUIPMENT
Stackit Gobos (12)
ASC Acoustics (10 studio traps)
Langevin (Headphone mixers)
Beyerdynamic headphones
AKG headphones
Manley Starbird booms
Special musician chairs
Conductor’s stand and podium.

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www.ozanyarman.com

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The ideal microtonal music studio?

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>

🔗Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗Joey Di Nardo <username652719@...>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

🔗lobawad <lobawad@...>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>