14 vs 19 vs 23 vs 24

Hey guys, I cobbled together a little ditty in 14-EDO "Semaphore"[9] (for lack of a better name for the temperament), just a simple minimal piano deal but it does show off the tonality and some hints at functionality. It was mostly improvised and I could do something much better if I had more time/energy, but here it is. It's called "Paint on the Water" and you can find it in my files folder:

/makemicromusic/files/Igliashon%20Jones/

It is accompanied by some retunings into 19, 23, and 24-EDO. All of these have the same 5L+4s MOS scale as 14, and it is interesting to see the subtle effect the tuning variations have. The difference between 14 and 19 is, I think, the subtlest...19's fifths are better, but 14's thirds are better; overall, 19 is a little bit less "beaty" but I think the flavor of 14 is mellower and a bit less "strident". The biggest difference is between 23 and 24, and to my ears some parts sound better in one while other parts sound better in the other. It's quite interesting. I think I prefer 14 overall, it feels the most "balanced" to me. I'd be curious to know (if anyone can sit through 4 listens of this fiddly little piece) what others think of the different tunings.

-Igs

Well,
At the 11 edo class yesterday we discussed a portion one of Erv
Wilson's diagrams - one that showed the progression of step size from
5 edo through 20 edo - it was called the diatonic / anti-diatonic
spectrum. Basically - a scale like LLLsLLs will reverse to sssLssL as
the size of the fifth (and therefore all intervals) change when your
edo changes. It occurred to be (eureka for me and no doubt "duh" that
is obvious for everyone else) that changing tuning is another
developmental tool. We then sung (I listened actually) Frère Jacques
in each edo from 5 through 20 to "feel" and hear how the step sizes
changed. The tune remain recognizable but took on bizarre
characteristics depending on the edo.

Now I find this fine composition in 4 edos that I have been looping
for a half hour as I work on improving my 11 edo stick - and
intentional or not - an excellent example of tuning development.

That is a cool coincidence. Thanks Igs!

Chris

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:20 AM, cityoftheasleep
<igliashon@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey guys, I cobbled together a little ditty in 14-EDO "Semaphore"[9] (for lack of a better name for the temperament), just a simple minimal piano deal but it does show off the tonality and some hints at functionality. It was mostly improvised and I could do something much better if I had more time/energy, but here it is. It's called "Paint on the Water" and you can find it in my files folder:
>
> /makemicromusic/files/Igliashon%20Jones/
>
> It is accompanied by some retunings into 19, 23, and 24-EDO. All of these have the same 5L+4s MOS scale as 14, and it is interesting to see the subtle effect the tuning variations have. The difference between 14 and 19 is, I think, the subtlest...19's fifths are better, but 14's thirds are better; overall, 19 is a little bit less "beaty" but I think the flavor of 14 is mellower and a bit less "strident". The biggest difference is between 23 and 24, and to my ears some parts sound better in one while other parts sound better in the other. It's quite interesting. I think I prefer 14 overall, it feels the most "balanced" to me. I'd be curious to know (if anyone can sit through 4 listens of this fiddly little piece) what others think of the different tunings.
>
> -Igs
>
>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
wrote:
> Well,
> At the 11 edo class yesterday we discussed a portion one of Erv
> Wilson's diagrams - one that showed the progression of step size from
> 5 edo through 20 edo - it was called the diatonic / anti-diatonic
> spectrum. Basically - a scale like LLLsLLs will reverse to sssLssL as
> the size of the fifth (and therefore all intervals) change when your
> edo changes.

Right! And the cutoff for the size of the fifth is 7-equal, which is the
border between the two.

The anti-diatonic spectrum is generally mapped to "mavila" temperament
around here. -Mike

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Now I *finally* understand that term!

Thanks!

chris

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>wrote:

>
>
> Right! And the cutoff for the size of the fifth is 7-equal, which is the
> border between the two.
>
> The anti-diatonic spectrum is generally mapped to "mavila" temperament
> around here. -Mike
>
>

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