New list concerning making cross-genre microtonal music more accessible to the public...

   I think it's fair to say there are only a few people (say 3 to 5) interested in my quest to make microtonal music as "household-name" artform.  I'm mentioning this due to a few off-list posts which have hinted how people may well be upset with me simply for going for a goal few people share with me.

   Note about my "goal": this goal does NOT mean create Justin Beiber-like music or only "popular classical" music, but music across all genres.  Nor does it mean only use my scales or be limited to any set of microtonal theories (JI, temperament, MOS, etc). 

    The idea is to open-ended-ly post music and theories, test them on as many listeners as possible using sound example, and come up with things that work for as many listeners as possible.
 
--------------------   So, I am seriously considering branching off to form a new group based on said-above mission.
   However I am met with the issue of "virtually no audience and on-topic" (IE the issue I've found the meta-tuning has) or "a huge audience typically off-topic" (what this list seems to be becoming).  So I'd be hoping for about 5 or so people to join and help me get things started.

  Hopefully this will also help this list by alleviating some pressure from people who don't give a rats...about my goal as well...and help me find actual honest feedback amidst all the ad-hominem attacks.
  

  So is anyone here game for starting a "popularizing microtonal music across genres" list?

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This posting is with my moderator hat off, as just a normal subscriber.

Wow... It's unbelievable that even when someone has been removed from the list people just go on talking and talking about it, and then arguing about everything else that has nothing to do with music.

Please, this is a list about music and microtonality. As a subscriber I get tired of listening to the eternal side-conversation: people blah-blahing on and on about meta-topics, like who is who and who got banned and what people mean when they say bad things to each other.

I'd much prefer the list to just stick to music...

Rick

Dittos. I also deleted all the messages with the subject: "Prent, you're wrong!!"

Because I could.

Prent Rodgers

> Please, this is a list about music and microtonality. As a subscriber I get
> tired of listening to the eternal side-conversation: people blah-blahing on
> and on about meta-topics, like who is who and who got banned and what people
> mean when they say bad things to each other.
>
> I'd much prefer the list to just stick to music...
>
> Rick
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:

> --------------------   So, I am seriously considering branching off to form a new group based on said-above mission.

Why form a new group when it already exists?

/tuning-research/

Me> "So, I am seriously considering branching off to form a new group based on said-above mission."

Gene>"Why form a new group when it already exists?"

     Good point, if only a good bunch of us could agree to move our discussions over there.  As I recall, I don't remember a single fight or flame on that list. :-)  Would anyone here be game for moving things on over to that list?

Righto. Kick him and his cronies outta here!

Oz.

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Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> They (and I still don't believe it's not Marcel) obviously want an audience
> to annoy, because it would appear to Marcel any attention, including
> negative attention, is better than no attention.
>
> Until real action is taken to formally ban Marcel, I'm filtering his
> thousands of inane "I SOLVED MUSIC---MUST LISTEN NOW" messages right to the
> trash. I suggest everyone do the same, so we can collectively resist the
> temptation to grant him the remotest pleasure of having an audience for his
> nauseating behavior and theories. Enough circle-squarers, already. Let's
> force them elsewhere. Besides, it's the main tuning-list, not MMM, that
> should even have to be dealing with this, as we've all reiterated.
>
> AKJ
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Chris Vaisvil<chrisvaisvil@...>wrote:
>
>> Lets say you are 100% right and Prent 100% wrong.
>>
>> Why do you and Dr. Sullivan *need* an audience to work out the depths of
>> this JI theory?
>>
>> Why not develop it via email correspondence and then astound us all with a
>> website that fully explains your theory complete with examples that do not
>> need to be retracted.
>>
>> Can't you two work in private?
>>
>> Its obvious no one else here knows as much as you two to be able to
>> substantially contribute.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Marcel<m.develde@...> wrote:
>>
>>> I just received this off list message from Prent Rogers:
>>>
>>> "Marcel,
>>> I'm asking you to please stop with the sock puppetry. It is transparent
>> and
>>> vulgar. It only serves to make you look foolish. If you have to make up
>> your
>>> friends to have any, well, then make them up. But not on my list. Any
>> future
>>> posts by your sock puppets will be deleted, and the authors banned,
>>> including you. Stop it now.
>>>
>>> Prent Rodgers"
>>>
>>> I've told you now several times Prent, that I have NOTHING to do with
>> other
>>> people.
>>> I don't know them and have had no contact with anybody off list.
>>> I'm not behind anything.
>>> You're in error here!
>>>
>>> BAN AWAY TO YOUR WILL
>>>
>>> I've always had respect for you, but you're seriously screwing things up
>>> here now.
>>>
>>> I guess I can't blame you for being stupid in this case (as it's obvious
>> if
>>> you look with some very minor intelligence and attention that these
>> people
>>> are NOT ME), but I CAN blame you for jumping carelessly to conclusions in
>>> this case.
>>>
>>> And you're doing just that.
>>> You're holding things against me and others, that are simply false.
>>> And you apparently feel you don't need any proof whatsoever.
>>> This is bad Prent. I had expected better from you.
>>>
>>> -Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Splendid. Let's hope he doesn't wiggle back in some other way.

Oz.

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prentrodgers wrote:
> I tired of the back and forth and banned all three of Marcel's ID's. He's gone.
>
> Prent Rodgers
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil<chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>> Lets say you are 100% right and Prent 100% wrong.
>>
>> Why do you and Dr. Sullivan *need* an audience to work out the depths of
>> this JI theory?
>>
>> Why not develop it via email correspondence and then astound us all with a
>
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I believe I'm already there, though of course I have a bit different vision
than you.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Michael <djtrancendance@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Me> "So, I am seriously considering branching off to form a new group based
> on said-above mission."
>
> Gene>"Why form a new group when it already exists?"
>
>
>
> Good point, if only a good bunch of us could agree to move our
> discussions over there. As I recall, I don't remember a single fight or
> flame on that list. :-) Would anyone here be game for moving things on over
> to that list?
>
>
>

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To be fair, Rick, you are engaging in a meta-conversation here as well just by posting this comment! :)

In defense of the meta-conversation, it was shocking that it took so long for anything to be done about Marcel is all, and I think preventing future wastes of time is at least worthy of _some_ reflection.

Other than that, great, back to the music, I agree 100%. BTW, do you have anything to post lately?

Best,
AKJ

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@...> wrote:
>
> This posting is with my moderator hat off, as just a normal subscriber.
>
> Wow... It's unbelievable that even when someone has been removed from the
> list people just go on talking and talking about it, and then arguing about
> everything else that has nothing to do with music.
>
> Please, this is a list about music and microtonality. As a subscriber I get
> tired of listening to the eternal side-conversation: people blah-blahing on
> and on about meta-topics, like who is who and who got banned and what people
> mean when they say bad things to each other.
>
> I'd much prefer the list to just stick to music...
>
> Rick
>

1) It was mostly a joke, so we could all laugh/cry about how often we heard
signature Marcel phrases like "I SOLVED JI".

2) I agree that it's a static content filter, anyway, e.g. "contains/deos
not contain", etc. I don't see your point! To be clear, I'm talking about
what I might do in the future if I find a certain poster annoying, etc.

AKJ

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

> You said you would filter phrases like "I SOLVED JI" (see below).
> That's a static content filter. -Carl
>
> Aaron wrote:
>
> >Hey Carl,
> >
> >I was only talking about personal static author filters, anyway...I wasn't
> >proposing some kind of AI Marcel-detector.
> >
> >AKJ
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Aaron wrote:
> >>
> >> >I might add: there's nothing preventing him from coming around with
> >> >another false identity.
> >> >I guess I should just filter phrases like "I SOLVED JI", "You will
> >> >someday thank me", "It will help you compose better music", or
> >> >"TRUE MUSIC IS JI", etc., etc.
>
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--
Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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BTW, I did like this "Rasperry Velvet" piece. 11-edo is in vogue these days,
and this is a good example. Nice "bowed-FM" timbre, too.

AKJ

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> The 11-ET piece is unmistakeble for anyone with a functioning
> cochlea, as Cameron himself has been pointing out.
>
> Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> I believe I'm already there, though of course I have a bit
> different vision than you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Good point, if only a good bunch of us could agree to move
> > our discussions over there. As I recall, I don't remember a
> > single fight or flame on that list. :-) Would anyone here be
> > game for moving things on over to that list?
> >

I look into the tuning-research list from time to time, as well as into the JustIntonation list, the MicroMadeEasy list and the Microtonal list on Google. In some of them, I have already posted, when there was a subject interesting me, and I will continue to do so (currently, however, in none of these lists there is much of interest for me). I do not really care where exactly a discussion takes place.
But I am not going to put energy into actively promoting discussions in some or other or yet another new list. Following so many lists is tedious enough.
--
Hans Straub

So did I. Who really wrote it?

caleb

________________________________
From: Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 6:47:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MMM] Prent, you're wrong!!

BTW, I did like this "Rasperry Velvet" piece. 11-edo is in vogue these days,
and this is a good example. Nice "bowed-FM" timbre, too.

AKJ

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> The 11-ET piece is unmistakeble for anyone with a functioning
> cochlea, as Cameron himself has been pointing out.
>
> Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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Carl already said. I've made no attempt to "hide" whatsoever, just kept on posting and putting up music as I always have.

I had to completely restructure my online presence, eliminate email accounts, block marauders and time-wasters, etc., as I have said.

This is "make micro music". That's what we should be doing. Make micro music, LISTEN TO IT, discuss it.

The point I made that caused rage was, "it is wrong to comment about
music without having listened to it".

Oh, I'm such an asshole!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
> So did I. Who really wrote it?
>
> caleb
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 6:47:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Prent, you're wrong!!
>
>
> BTW, I did like this "Rasperry Velvet" piece. 11-edo is in vogue these days,
> and this is a good example. Nice "bowed-FM" timbre, too.
>
> AKJ
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The 11-ET piece is unmistakeble for anyone with a functioning
> > cochlea, as Cameron himself has been pointing out.
> >
> > Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.akjmusic.com
> http://www.untwelve.org
>
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dear Group,
I apologize for banning Lobawad from the list. He was swept up with another ID created on the same day ("Gilbert Sullivan") and should not have been removed from the list. He has returned. And posted music as well. Thank you for your patience. Let's hear some more!

Prent Rodgers

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "lobawad" <lobawad@...> wrote:
>
> Carl already said. I've made no attempt to "hide" whatsoever, just kept on posting and putting up music as I always have.
>
> I had to completely restructure my online presence, eliminate email accounts, block marauders and time-wasters, etc., as I have said.
>
> This is "make micro music". That's what we should be doing. Make micro music, LISTEN TO IT, discuss it.
>
> The point I made that caused rage was, "it is wrong to comment about
> music without having listened to it".
>
> Oh, I'm such an asshole!
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Caleb Morgan <calebmrgn@> wrote:
> >
> > So did I. Who really wrote it?
> >
> > caleb
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@>
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 6:47:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] Prent, you're wrong!!
> >
> >
> > BTW, I did like this "Rasperry Velvet" piece. 11-edo is in vogue these days,
> > and this is a good example. Nice "bowed-FM" timbre, too.
> >
> > AKJ
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The 11-ET piece is unmistakeble for anyone with a functioning
> > > cochlea, as Cameron himself has been pointing out.
> > >
> > > Aaron Krister Johnson
> > http://www.akjmusic.com
> > http://www.untwelve.org
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

You're welcome. -Carl

At 06:35 AM 3/8/2011, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>I apologize for banning Lobawad from the list. He was swept up with
>another ID created on the same day ("Gilbert Sullivan") and should not
>have been removed from the list. He has returned. And posted music as
>well. Thank you for your patience. Let's hear some more!
>
>Prent Rodgers

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>
> Me> "So, I am seriously considering branching off to form a new group based on said-above mission."
>
> Gene>"Why form a new group when it already exists?"
>
>      Good point, if only a good bunch of us could agree to move our discussions over there.  As I recall, I don't remember a single fight or flame on that list. :-)  Would anyone here be game for moving things on over to that list?

You could talk about it on metatuning too.

-Mike

OK, catching up here...

On 3/7/2011 3:28 PM, akjmicro wrote:
> Other than that, great, back to the music, I agree 100%. BTW, do you have anything to post lately?

Heh heh. I actually don't have music to post. One of the things I do in my life is rotate through various creative forms, and over the last year or so, it hasn't been music, but other things which are off-topic for here. I'll come back around and post some new music sooner or later! :-)

I do, at least, have the new GPO with the Aria player and I have experimented just a little with non-12. And I've been happy to see other people on the list also using GPO for microtonal work.

Cheers,
Rick