Re: [MMM] A URL for moderators and other interested parties about dealing with Trolls

Carl>"In the cases of Michael and Marcel, it's been tried and tried and tried for 3+ years"

    So much for your supposed statement about people on the list comparing me to Marcel being just a defensive thought in my head...  No kidding I don't believe you when you say anything like "no one is against you, it's in your head".

And I say for about the thousandth time...why are you comparing me to Marcel?!
  For example, he claims his system is "perfect"...I have said nothing of the sort.  Secondly, he has not made any original, ahem, pieces of music (instrumental or otherwise) with his scales...not only do I have several on list but also some in fairly prominent "public" places like on Sevish's "Crack my Pitch Up" compilation and Trax In Space.
Just about the only thing is common with him and me is he gets pissed off when people misunderstand his theories or call them bad without saying why. Then again no kidding: I've seen you Carl, Gene, John, and several others get angry when people misjudge their scales/theories.

>"In fact, from Quora, Facebook, Reddit, and Slashdot to various bulletin boards...I can't think of a single one that doesn't have active moderation mechanisms -- sometimes multiple levels of them."

   Right.  Only thing is, for example, I'm regularly on Slashdot, Facebook, Yahoo Answers...and several other boards, many of them very opinionated...and have not been flagged as a "troll" or otherwise threatened to be knocked off the site on a single one.  The worst thing I've ever had happen is I posted a specific question on fertility outside the "male health" section (IE in the pregnancy section instead) and got a violation...of course I never repeated that and my records got cleared after a few months.
The only list such a thing (IE being labelled a troll) has happened on for me is the Tuning list back when you were moderating it.  So the general case with you, and not other lists, seems to be the anomaly.

> Chris wrote:
>Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
>
> http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html

For the record, I think the above is a good approach.  And when he suspected I may have been "trolling", Mike B did exactly that approach.  Turns out both that he basically mis-understood my point and that, even when he did "get it"...there were some things I misjudged about how it would or could work. Actually I've find virtually every time someone thinks I'm "trolling", it turns out the simply misinterpreted my idea.

  Come to think of it, Mike B. just did that (IE basically from the link Chris gave) technique again when replying to my recent "A scale that does it for me like diatonic"...saying clearly the tuning I gave him as an alternative did not work for him because we wanted a tuning with a single smaller/transpose-able sub-scale within it and that he wanted an MOS (while my scale was "hyper-MOS" with 4 or so semi-tone interval sizes).

Carl, maybe you should take note how Mike B. responds to me as of late...if you paint me as "not compatible" I can understand...but if you paint me as "lazy, purposefully ignorant and/or evil"...there's no way I will understand because, no matter how much you may hate the kind of work I do, I do so through hard work, trying my honest best to take everything into account (including other people's constructive suggestions), and do so for the better good of the community.