Nigel-38, or Love & the Automaton...@ NOM

Hey all,

My first tune in 13et is uploaded @ NOM.

Best,
jls

www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=798&p=4432#p4432
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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "jsmith9624@..." <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> My first tune in 13et is uploaded @ NOM.

Nice! I like it that you don't seem to be saying "this is 13edo, so I must make it brash and dissonant". Actually, 13 is good for the 2.11.13/5.17/5.19/5 subgroup, if anyone wants to ponder that. Tempers out 170/169, 209/208, 608/605, 3200/3179.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

>Actually, 13 is good for the 2.11.13/5.17/5.19/5 subgroup, if anyone wants to ponder that. Tempers out 170/169, 209/208, 608/605, 3200/3179.

If anyone does feel inspired by that, the 6/11 generator, an approximate 11/8 interval, has MOS of size 5, 7, 9 and 11. Two generators gets you to your 19/10, three to your 13/5, and six to your 34/5. As a side note, three pure 11/8s are flat of 13/5 by a mere 6656/6655, a quarter of a cent.

This is *Very* strange and cybernetic indeed!

Perhaps I need to take a look at 13 - for me, as opposed to the preceding
portion, the voice leading seemed to get a bit lost at 2:00. So I'm a bit
curious as to the compositional problem you were trying to solve at that
point. The balance of the composition hangs together melodically, and voice
leading / xenharmonically extremely well. An impressive tour de force! on
2nd listen that oddness at 2:00 is probably just my ears. Well, maybe not.
It sounds like a modulation. Impressive just to try that! Impressive I heard
a tonal center to modulate from and to!

At 5:22 you seem to modulate again - but it sounds cleaner. And perhaps at
4:37 too?

Are you going around a pseudo circle of fifths for the basic progression in
this?

Nice work.

Chris

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:07 AM, jsmith9624@... <
jsmith9624@...> wrote:

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>
> Hey all,
>
> My first tune in 13et is uploaded @ NOM.
>
> Best,
> jls
>
> www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=798&p=4432#p4432
> <http://>
>
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>
>

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Hey, this is a great piece of work Jon. Quite nicely done! Kind of makes
reminds me of Wall-E's romance...

The chorus timbre does not always vibe too well with the rest of the
instruments though.

Nevertheless, I'm adding this to my fave microtunes.

I need to get something done in 13-equal myself soon.

Oz.

--

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> This is *Very* strange and cybernetic indeed!
>
> Perhaps I need to take a look at 13 - for me, as opposed to the preceding
> portion, the voice leading seemed to get a bit lost at 2:00. So I'm a bit
> curious as to the compositional problem you were trying to solve at that
> point. The balance of the composition hangs together melodically, and voice
> leading / xenharmonically extremely well. An impressive tour de force! on
> 2nd listen that oddness at 2:00 is probably just my ears. Well, maybe not.
> It sounds like a modulation. Impressive just to try that! Impressive I heard
> a tonal center to modulate from and to!
>
> At 5:22 you seem to modulate again - but it sounds cleaner. And perhaps at
> 4:37 too?
>
> Are you going around a pseudo circle of fifths for the basic progression in
> this?
>
> Nice work.
>
> Chris
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:07 AM, jsmith9624@sbcglobal.net<
> jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> My first tune in 13et is uploaded @ NOM.
>>
>> Best,
>> jls
>>
>> www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=798&p=4432#p4432
>> <http://>
>>
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>>
>>
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>

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Gene,

Thanks for the listen. I was surprised that my first 13et excursion had
a bittersweet/nostalgic mood...at least, it seemed so to me, despite its
oddness.

Best,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Nice! I like it that you don't seem to be saying "this is 13edo, so I
must make it brash and dissonant".
>

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Hey Chris,

Thanks for the listen & comment. Since 13et is new for me, just getting
thru to the end without making my ears bleed too much was my main
compositional problem...there were no real modulations as such, but the
basic progressions moved about from the "tonic" 0 to pitches 3, 4, 8, 9
& 11 ( & their harmonies), tho not in that order.

Best,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
wrote:
>
> This is *Very* strange and cybernetic indeed!
>
> Perhaps I need to take a look at 13 - for me, as opposed to the
preceding
> portion, the voice leading seemed to get a bit lost at 2:00. So I'm a
bit
> curious as to the compositional problem you were trying to solve at
that
> point. The balance of the composition hangs together melodically, and
voice
> leading / xenharmonically extremely well. An impressive tour de force!
on
> 2nd listen that oddness at 2:00 is probably just my ears. Well, maybe
not.
> It sounds like a modulation. Impressive just to try that! Impressive I
heard
> a tonal center to modulate from and to!
>
> At 5:22 you seem to modulate again - but it sounds cleaner. And
perhaps at
> 4:37 too?
>
> Are you going around a pseudo circle of fifths for the basic
progression in
> this?
>
> Nice work.
>
> Chris
>

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My Good Doctor,

You wrote:

> Hey, this is a great piece of work Jon. Quite nicely done! Kind of
makes
> reminds me of Wall-E's romance...
>

Actually, I've never seen that film...tho I hope romance worked out
better for him than it did for Nigel-38...

> The chorus timbre does not always vibe too well with the rest of the
> instruments though.
>

Your opinion of my chorus timbres stands in good company, sir. :-)
However, I have to insert flaws *somewhere* into the musical fabric,
lest otherwise perfection should draw the wrath of the Almighty.

> Nevertheless, I'm adding this to my fave microtunes.
>

There is no greater praise :-)

Respects,
jls

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This was very enjoyable!
Thanks for posting, I like 13 a lot.

John

PS I will put my own plug of 13-edo post script, where it looks like I'm not being selfish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfliriA9ELQ

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "jsmith9624@..." <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
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> My Good Doctor,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > Hey, this is a great piece of work Jon. Quite nicely done! Kind of
> makes
> > reminds me of Wall-E's romance...
> >
>
> Actually, I've never seen that film...tho I hope romance worked out
> better for him than it did for Nigel-38...
>
>
>
> > The chorus timbre does not always vibe too well with the rest of the
> > instruments though.
> >
>
> Your opinion of my chorus timbres stands in good company, sir. :-)
> However, I have to insert flaws *somewhere* into the musical fabric,
> lest otherwise perfection should draw the wrath of the Almighty.
>
>
>
> > Nevertheless, I'm adding this to my fave microtunes.
> >
>
> There is no greater praise :-)
>
>
>
> Respects,
> jls
>
>
>
>
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>

Well done! You really draw out, in an amazing fashion, the *sunny* side of
13edo--it retains its strangeness, yet, you bring a certain joyous sound to
it---I'm amazed! Bravo!

Two minor critiques--the choir sound, which you've used here and elsewhere,
should be taken out into the backyard and shot. Maybe it's just me, but I'm
no fan of horribly late 80s MIDI workstation choir samples...they
immediately cheeze me out.....secondly, I think, for my taste, the piece
could be about 3/4 to 1/2 as long and benefit, but I'll have another listen
and see if this view holds--sometimes my mind changes about such things.

In event event, hats off to you!

Best,
AKJ

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:07 AM, jsmith9624@... <
jsmith9624@...> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> My first tune in 13et is uploaded @ NOM.
>
>
> Best,
> jls
>
>
>
> www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=798&p=4432#p4432
> <http://>
>
>
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Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

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Hey John,

Thanks for listening. I took a quick peek at your YouTube channel -- I
haven't watched all the videos as yet, but I listened to/enjoyed
"Halfway" & "Stampede", both very nice.

The isomorphic keyboards look interesting...and it seems (if I
understand correctly) that a QWERTY can also be programmed to function
as one?

Best,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Moriarty" <JlMoriart@...>
wrote:
>
> This was very enjoyable!
> Thanks for posting, I like 13 a lot.
>
> John
>
> PS I will put my own plug of 13-edo post script, where it looks like
I'm not being selfish:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfliriA9ELQ
>

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Hey Aaron,

You wrote:

> Well done! You really draw out, in an amazing fashion, the *sunny*
side of
> 13edo--it retains its strangeness, yet, you bring a certain joyous
sound to
> it---I'm amazed! Bravo!

"Bittersweet" or "nostalgic" was my own first impressions, but
yes...definitely lighter in tone than what I was braced for. At least,
for this particular tune.

> Two minor critiques--the choir sound, which you've used here and
elsewhere,
> should be taken out into the backyard and shot. Maybe it's just me,
but I'm
> no fan of horribly late 80s MIDI workstation choir samples...they
> immediately cheeze me out.....

Yea & verily, I hear thy pleas for mercy. But alackaday -- one man's
meat is another's poison, and all that. I'll try to put a leash on those
choir timbres (& only 'cause you're a swell guy & I hate to think of you
in auricular torment), but be advised: I have a number of
nearly-finished tunes which have already made prominent use of "choirs".
Forewarned...

>...secondly, I think, for my taste, the piece
> could be about 3/4 to 1/2 as long and benefit, but I'll have another
listen
> and see if this view holds--sometimes my mind changes about such
things.

Damme...all this time I thought I was being terse. :D

> In event event, hats off to you!

Thanks for the listen & comments!

Best,
jls

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> Thanks for listening. I took a quick peek at your YouTube channel -- I
> haven't watched all the videos as yet, but I listened to/enjoyed
> "Halfway" & "Stampede", both very nice.
>
> The isomorphic keyboards look interesting...and it seems (if I
> understand correctly) that a QWERTY can also be programmed to function
> as one?

Thanks for the kind words =) That's correct about the QWERTY, I'm
using (freely available) software that maps it to the same layout as
my jammer. The QWERTY is particularly nice because I can play and
compose anywhere I have my computer.

Pretty soon I'll be able to start making microtonal music using the
AXiS as a generalized keyboard, and that should be very exciting...

John

Hey John,

I'm curious about this kind of setup... would you be kind enough to
write me offlist with more details (the software used, any advice you
might have, etc)?

Many thanks,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...>
wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words =) That's correct about the QWERTY, I'm
> using (freely available) software that maps it to the same layout as
> my jammer. The QWERTY is particularly nice because I can play and
> compose anywhere I have my computer.

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Hi John,

>Pretty soon I'll be able to start making microtonal music using the
>AXiS as a generalized keyboard, and that should be very exciting...

Congrats on this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLN4CAl6p7A

It's the highest-quality isomorphic keyboard video I know of. You're
liable to be one kickass microtonal musician with this under your belt.

-Carl

On 27 February 2011 01:19, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words =) That's correct about the QWERTY, I'm
> using (freely available) software that maps it to the same layout as
> my jammer. The QWERTY is particularly nice because I can play and
> compose anywhere I have my computer.

Do chords work? Manuel found that sometimes pressing two keys
simultaneously doesn't send two key-down messages correctly. Either
the hardware or the drivers assumes it's something you won't want to
do. I don't remember anybody finding a solution.

Graham

> I'm curious about this kind of setup... would you be kind enough to
write me offlist with more details (the software used, any advice you
might have, etc)?

Sure, I'd be happy to write something up.

> Congrats on this!

Thanks Carl. I hope that I

On 2/27/11, Graham Breed <gbreed@...> wrote:
> On 27 February 2011 01:19, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words =) That's correct about the QWERTY, I'm
>> using (freely available) software that maps it to the same layout as
>> my jammer. The QWERTY is particularly nice because I can play and
>> compose anywhere I have my computer.
>
> Do chords work? Manuel found that sometimes pressing two keys
> simultaneously doesn't send two key-down messages correctly. Either
> the hardware or the drivers assumes it's something you won't want to
> do. I don't remember anybody finding a solution.
>
>
> Graham
>

> I'm curious about this kind of setup... would you be kind enough to
write me offlist with more details (the software used, any advice you
might have, etc)?

Sure, I'd be happy to write something up.

> Congrats on this!

Thanks Carl. I hope to soon get working on how I'm going to actually
produce my microtonal music. My experience is nilch!

> Do chords work? Manuel found that sometimes pressing two keys
simultaneously doesn't send two key-down messages correctly. Either
the hardware or the drivers assumes it's something you won't want to
do. I don't remember anybody finding a solution.

Unfortunately, that's correct. Specific to every QWERTY, there are
certain key combinations that don't work. It works well enough for
something mostly monophonic like this though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukg1cqnM-o

John

On 2/27/11, John Moriarty <jlmoriart@...> wrote:
>> I'm curious about this kind of setup... would you be kind enough to
> write me offlist with more details (the software used, any advice you
> might have, etc)?
>
> Sure, I'd be happy to write something up.
>
>> Congrats on this!
>
> Thanks Carl. I hope that I
>
> On 2/27/11, Graham Breed <gbreed@...> wrote:
>> On 27 February 2011 01:19, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words =) That's correct about the QWERTY, I'm
>>> using (freely available) software that maps it to the same layout as
>>> my jammer. The QWERTY is particularly nice because I can play and
>>> compose anywhere I have my computer.
>>
>> Do chords work? Manuel found that sometimes pressing two keys
>> simultaneously doesn't send two key-down messages correctly. Either
>> the hardware or the drivers assumes it's something you won't want to
>> do. I don't remember anybody finding a solution.
>>
>>
>> Graham
>>
>