Kontakt 2 and Scala files?

Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
(basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
be tuned 50-cents in either direction.

He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
is it done?

I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
would work as well?

Thanks for your help,

John M

Version 3 through 4 give you native support for larger than 12 edos.
Not sure about 2 because I never owned the full version 2.

On a PC this works
http://www.12equalboresme.com/index.html

Perhaps if you used a PC to generate the script and used the script on the
MAC install of Kontakt 2 that would work.

I'll email you a script.

Chris

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:25 AM, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
> (basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
> and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
> limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
> be tuned 50-cents in either direction.
>
> He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
> 12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
> also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
> experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
> is it done?
>
> I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
> Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
> would work as well?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> John M
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have Kontakt 2.

Use Scala2Kontakt Microtuner found on www.12equalboresme.com . On Windows i generate Scala files and import them to my MAC. Copy the text (converted scala file) in to the script window, press apply and it works. You are not limited to 12-equal/50 cents. Not all scala files work, but a lot of them. For example: Wilson 31-tEt worked and was used on one of my songs (http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wA1dTQaXWygWWTjgu-tmhLrQlDGlaIklVqdqJ5gBjc7QuFvnyORk6GkJC9Qhyt2oAXnmpVOznV43EG1YzULQOXjpQODcxhWgK0pKpg/Raed%27s%20music/A%20hint%20from%20those%20who%20passed%20away%20.mp3)
If you need more info, just mail me.

Greetings,

Raed
--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
> (basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
> and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
> limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
> be tuned 50-cents in either direction.
>
> He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
> 12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
> also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
> experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
> is it done?
>
> I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
> Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
> would work as well?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> John M
>

What's this? A post about microtonal software? I almost deleted
it as I was going down the message list this morning. -Carl

At 03:31 AM 2/17/2011, you wrote:
>Version 3 through 4 give you native support for larger than 12 edos.
>Not sure about 2 because I never owned the full version 2.
>
>On a PC this works
>http://www.12equalboresme.com/index.html
>
>Perhaps if you used a PC to generate the script and used the script on the
>MAC install of Kontakt 2 that would work.
>
>I'll email you a script.
>
>Chris
>

Yes Carl, I stand accused and guilty of not contributing microtonally to
this forum.

Perhaps I should make a monthly list of the music I've posted like you have
of your (on topic) posts.

;-)

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> What's this? A post about microtonal software? I almost deleted
> it as I was going down the message list this morning. -Carl
>
>
> At 03:31 AM 2/17/2011, you wrote:
> >Version 3 through 4 give you native support for larger than 12 edos.
> >Not sure about 2 because I never owned the full version 2.
> >
> >On a PC this works
> >http://www.12equalboresme.com/index.html
> >
> >Perhaps if you used a PC to generate the script and used the script on the
> >MAC install of Kontakt 2 that would work.
> >
> >I'll email you a script.
> >
> >Chris
> >
>
>
>

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Scala2Kontakt works great for me, too. Never had a problem with a .scl file, interesting- does failure to read a .scl file properly happen with huge tunings, tiny tunings, non-octave periods, or some other less usual thing, or does it happen "randomly"?

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Raed" <raedkhashoukgi@...> wrote:
>
> I have Kontakt 2.
>
> Use Scala2Kontakt Microtuner found on www.12equalboresme.com . On Windows i generate Scala files and import them to my MAC. Copy the text (converted scala file) in to the script window, press apply and it works. You are not limited to 12-equal/50 cents. Not all scala files work, but a lot of them. For example: Wilson 31-tEt worked and was used on one of my songs (http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wA1dTQaXWygWWTjgu-tmhLrQlDGlaIklVqdqJ5gBjc7QuFvnyORk6GkJC9Qhyt2oAXnmpVOznV43EG1YzULQOXjpQODcxhWgK0pKpg/Raed%27s%20music/A%20hint%20from%20those%20who%20passed%20away%20.mp3)
> If you need more info, just mail me.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Raed
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
> > (basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
> > and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
> > limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
> > be tuned 50-cents in either direction.
> >
> > He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
> > 12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
> > also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
> > experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
> > is it done?
> >
> > I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
> > Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
> > would work as well?
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > John M
> >
>

Thanks for all the support! Unfortunately I misunderstood, and he
actually has *Kontakt 4*. Does that change any of the advice that's
been given?

Thanks again,

John

On 2/17/11, cameron <misterbobro@...> wrote:
> Scala2Kontakt works great for me, too. Never had a problem with a .scl file,
> interesting- does failure to read a .scl file properly happen with huge
> tunings, tiny tunings, non-octave periods, or some other less usual thing,
> or does it happen "randomly"?
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Raed" <raedkhashoukgi@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have Kontakt 2.
>>
>> Use Scala2Kontakt Microtuner found on www.12equalboresme.com . On Windows
>> i generate Scala files and import them to my MAC. Copy the text (converted
>> scala file) in to the script window, press apply and it works. You are not
>> limited to 12-equal/50 cents. Not all scala files work, but a lot of them.
>> For example: Wilson 31-tEt worked and was used on one of my songs
>> (http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wA1dTQaXWygWWTjgu-tmhLrQlDGlaIklVqdqJ5gBjc7QuFvnyORk6GkJC9Qhyt2oAXnmpVOznV43EG1YzULQOXjpQODcxhWgK0pKpg/Raed%27s%20music/A%20hint%20from%20those%20who%20passed%20away%20.mp3)
>> If you need more info, just mail me.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Raed
>> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
>> > (basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
>> > and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
>> > limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
>> > be tuned 50-cents in either direction.
>> >
>> > He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
>> > 12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
>> > also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
>> > experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
>> > is it done?
>> >
>> > I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
>> > Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
>> > would work as well?
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help,
>> >
>> > John M
>> >
>>
>
>
>

my advice was specifically about versions 3 and 4.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:18 PM, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@...> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for all the support! Unfortunately I misunderstood, and he
> actually has *Kontakt 4*. Does that change any of the advice that's
> been given?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John
>
>
> On 2/17/11, cameron <misterbobro@...> wrote:
> > Scala2Kontakt works great for me, too. Never had a problem with a .scl
> file,
> > interesting- does failure to read a .scl file properly happen with huge
> > tunings, tiny tunings, non-octave periods, or some other less usual
> thing,
> > or does it happen "randomly"?
> >
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Raed" <raedkhashoukgi@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have Kontakt 2.
> >>
> >> Use Scala2Kontakt Microtuner found on www.12equalboresme.com . On
> Windows
> >> i generate Scala files and import them to my MAC. Copy the text
> (converted
> >> scala file) in to the script window, press apply and it works. You are
> not
> >> limited to 12-equal/50 cents. Not all scala files work, but a lot of
> them.
> >> For example: Wilson 31-tEt worked and was used on one of my songs
> >> (
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wA1dTQaXWygWWTjgu-tmhLrQlDGlaIklVqdqJ5gBjc7QuFvnyORk6GkJC9Qhyt2oAXnmpVOznV43EG1YzULQOXjpQODcxhWgK0pKpg/Raed%27s%20music/A%20hint%20from%20those%20who%20passed%20away%20.mp3
> )
> >> If you need more info, just mail me.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Raed
> >> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, John Moriarty <JlMoriart@>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi all, I'm working with one of my music professors on using his setup
> >> > (basically Kontakt 2 and a midi keyboard) to play alternative tunings
> >> > and their MOS scales. The native tuning capabilities of Kontakt are
> >> > limited to 12-note octave repeating scales, where each note can only
> >> > be tuned 50-cents in either direction.
> >> >
> >> > He swears he read somewhere that, in addition to its
> >> > 12-note-50-cents-in-either-direction tuning capability, Kontakt could
> >> > also load scala files. I can't find out how though, does anyone have
> >> > experience with Kontakt and know if that is a possibility? If so, how
> >> > is it done?
> >> >
> >> > I was reading up on Lil Miss Scale Oven and it says it can return
> >> > Kontakt on its own which is interesting, does someone know how that
> >> > would work as well?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your help,
> >> >
> >> > John M
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Thanks again for the help everyone. We're on macs but I have a Windows partition so I should be able to use Scala2Kontakt there. If it isn't already obvious, I'm coming from a complete lack of experience with Kontakt and I just need to report back with something that my professor (who does know Kontakt) will understand.

Summary:
Using scripts we can use Kontakt's native tuning capability. Scala2Kontakt reads Scala files and converts them into the script I'll need. Is that right?

John

?Hi John,

Scala2Kontakt is not required to export Scala scales to Kontakt.
It provides additional functionality (mainly switching scales during performance), but you may not need this.
Scala exports Kontakt tuning scripts for single scales on it's own perfectly fine.

-Marcel

From: John Moriarty
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:06 AM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MMM] Re: Kontakt 2 and Scala files?

Thanks again for the help everyone. We're on macs but I have a Windows partition so I should be able to use Scala2Kontakt there. If it isn't already obvious, I'm coming from a complete lack of experience with Kontakt and I just need to report back with something that my professor (who does know Kontakt) will understand.

Summary:
Using scripts we can use Kontakt's native tuning capability. Scala2Kontakt reads Scala files and converts them into the script I'll need. Is that right?

John

Ah! My ignorance strikes again. I downloaded scala forever ago but
never got very familiar with it to realize it had the capability
already. Looking at Scala again, I *should* be able to load a scale,
set the synth model to "129: Native Instruments Kontakt 2, via script
file", and then click send?

IF that's the case, I am getting an error message from Scala that says
"Interval file /Applications/Scala/Scala2.app/Contents/Resources/scala22/./intnam.par
not found"
whenever I try to set that (or any other) synth model. Should I
contact Manuel Op de Coul about that or has anyone has any similar
problems?

Thanks for your continued tolerance,

John

On 2/22/11, m.develde@... <m.develde@...> wrote:
> ?Hi John,
>
> Scala2Kontakt is not required to export Scala scales to Kontakt.
> It provides additional functionality (mainly switching scales during
> performance), but you may not need this.
> Scala exports Kontakt tuning scripts for single scales on it's own perfectly
> fine.
>
> -Marcel
>
>
> From: John Moriarty
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:06 AM
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MMM] Re: Kontakt 2 and Scala files?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks again for the help everyone. We're on macs but I have a Windows
> partition so I should be able to use Scala2Kontakt there. If it isn't
> already obvious, I'm coming from a complete lack of experience with Kontakt
> and I just need to report back with something that my professor (who does
> know Kontakt) will understand.
>
> Summary:
> Using scripts we can use Kontakt's native tuning capability. Scala2Kontakt
> reads Scala files and converts them into the script I'll need. Is that
> right?
>
> John
>
>