Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Pianodactyl

Pianodactyl was my entry for the UnTwelve competition. Well, the competition is over and Pianodactyl lost. It is in Rodan temperament, and first emerged in 1956 from a giant egg that lay underground in a mountainside. It was subsequently savagely beaten and devoured by Godzilla, the well-known music critic, but not before first laying waste to many innocent eardrums.

If you still want to hear it after all of that, it can be found here:

http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:18 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Pianodactyl was my entry for the UnTwelve competition. Well, the competition is over and Pianodactyl lost. It is in Rodan temperament, and first emerged in 1956 from a giant egg that lay underground in a mountainside. It was subsequently savagely beaten and devoured by Godzilla, the well-known music critic, but not before first laying waste to many innocent eardrums.
>
> If you still want to hear it after all of that, it can be found here:
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl

Very nice! I hear it as sort of a fractal-based atonal sort of thing.

-Mike

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:18 AM, genewardsmith
> <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Pianodactyl was my entry for the UnTwelve competition. Well, the competition is over and Pianodactyl lost. It is in Rodan temperament, and first emerged in 1956 from a giant egg that lay underground in a mountainside. It was subsequently savagely beaten and devoured by Godzilla, the well-known music critic, but not before first laying waste to many innocent eardrums.
>>
>> If you still want to hear it after all of that, it can be found here:
>>
>> http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl
>
> Very nice! I hear it as sort of a fractal-based atonal sort of thing.

I should probably be more specific: it's a fractal-ish atonal sort of
thing that's still in higher-limit JI. So I hear flashes of really
interesting colors through the chaos. I feel like I'm listening to a
microtonal version of late-era Coltrane.

-Mike

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> I should probably be more specific: it's a fractal-ish atonal sort of
> thing that's still in higher-limit JI. So I hear flashes of really
> interesting colors through the chaos. I feel like I'm listening to a
> microtonal version of late-era Coltrane.

Thanks, Mike. I hear something vaguely tonal and not chaotic, much more aurally coherent and intelligible than what you describe. But that's according to my idea of intelligibility, which doesn't seem to be widely shared.

Time for Igs to cough up his piece, not to mention Shaahin, Chris, Michael Sheiman, Cameron Bobro, Jacques Dudon, Chuckk and anyone else who posts here.

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Nice effort. Can you tell us more about the "amazing dancing
orbifolds" and how you used them?

-Carl

At 11:18 PM 1/21/2011, Gene wrote:
>Pianodactyl was my entry for the UnTwelve competition. Well, the
>competition is over and Pianodactyl lost. It is in Rodan temperament,
>and first emerged in 1956 from a giant egg that lay underground in a
>mountainside. It was subsequently savagely beaten and devoured by
>Godzilla, the well-known music critic, but not before first laying
>waste to many innocent eardrums.
>
>If you still want to hear it after all of that, it can be found here:
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl
>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>

It's something I need to listen to a lot - you wrote it, so you have
your head wrapped around it. When I first listened to Chromosounds, I
wasn't sure what was going on. After enough listens I started to grasp
some of the resolutions you were using, and now it's one of my
favorite microtonal compositions.

-Mike

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 3:32 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> > I should probably be more specific: it's a fractal-ish atonal sort of
> > thing that's still in higher-limit JI. So I hear flashes of really
> > interesting colors through the chaos. I feel like I'm listening to a
> > microtonal version of late-era Coltrane.
>
> Thanks, Mike. I hear something vaguely tonal and not chaotic, much more aurally coherent and intelligible than what you describe. But that's according to my idea of intelligibility, which doesn't seem to be widely shared.
>
> Time for Igs to cough up his piece, not to mention Shaahin, Chris, Michael Sheiman, Cameron Bobro, Jacques Dudon, Chuckk and anyone else who posts here.
>
>

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Nice effort. Can you tell us more about the "amazing dancing
> orbifolds" and how you used them?

I had an e-mail correspondence with Dimitri Tymoczko about his chord geometry ideas, and extracted something from it which I used to define closeness of one chord to another, which is what his "moduli space" is all about. Since I have so many fricken' chords to deal with in these big, high-limit scales, this was helpful as it suggested a short list of possibilities for where the harmony could go. Maybe I shouldn't attach his name to this since I never read his paper, but I used what ended up in my noggin after the discussion,

🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

Gene>"Time for Igs to cough up his piece, not to mention Shaahin, Chris, Michael
Sheiman, Cameron Bobro, Jacques Dudon, Chuckk and anyone else who posts here."

But CAN Igs cough up his piece (IE is he allowed to)? He made the top
3....which would kind of imply his music is now property of Untwelve and only to
be released on their CD,

In fact, I don't think any of the rest of us regular participants
did....even Chris and Cameron (and Sevish, I believe) didn't make the "finalists
concert". And know that I've heard Gene's Pianodactyl...and it sounds better
IMVHO than a huge majority of the last competition's entries (all of alien,
playful, highly variant, and controlled)...I am even more confused. Sadly I
haven't heard Jacques Dudon's music....but judging from his involvement I'd
expect it to be quite good.

I am still trying to figure out how judging works for this thing or what a
good compositional angle is to take. Granted, I was predicting Igs would make
the list...but amazed no one else from here did. Are many to most of the "best"
microtonalists not active on this list...and, if not, where are they? :-D

Anyhow, now that it appears to be legal for us "losers" (lol) to release
our tunes...here's my piece:
I was "trying" to make something that sounded very playful and, yes, shows off
what kind of crazy tonality stunts my 9-tone "Dimension" scale can do. And it's
one of my favorite songs out of any songs I've ever made...perhaps even my
favorite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
/makemicromusic/files/djtrancendance/DimensionHCMAX128.mp3

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Would have used the 192kb/s high quality version, but Yahoo complained the
file size was too large...still the high end over 14khz or so doesn't sound too
badly damaged...

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🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

Ugh, so in other words...even if we lost we have to wait to have them hosted by
Untwelve?
Ok....I'm taking down my file/song until I figure out if posting the files on
this archive is "legit"....

________________________________
From: genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 3:11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MMM] Pianodactyl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Doesn't untwelve host them? -Carl

I couldn't find them, but give them time as they seem to need it.

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🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

Me>Ugh, so in other words...even if we lost we have to wait to have them hosted
by Untwelve? Ok....I'm taking down my file/song until I figure out if posting
the files on this archive is "legit"...."

Carl>"Did you sign away rights to your music? You should know!"

Well, I agreed the music was not posted anywhere else and composed for the
competition and that part was made very clear in the competition agreements.
But what happens with the music afterward was not mentioned far as I could
tell...not even anything about if Untwelve would host the music (and I can't
find anyone else's full music up there even from last year...).

It seems obvious the music that makes it onto the competition CD would be
property of Untwelve (otherwise it would be market cannibalism...plus I recall
something about "available exclusively on the compilation CD")...but what about
the music not selected for it? Does it just drop off a cliff into the
nothingness never to be heard again?

If it turns out losing the competition both means your music doesn't get
published by Untwelve and you can't publish it yourself either...sounds pretty
scary...and I wouldn't do it again if that's the case.

Aaron K. Johnson, you would obviously know....I'd appreciate your help: how
does all this work for people who obviously are not going to be on the CD?

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🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>
> Gene>"Time for Igs to cough up his piece, not to mention Shaahin, Chris, Michael
> Sheiman, Cameron Bobro, Jacques Dudon, Chuckk and anyone else who posts here."
>
> But CAN Igs cough up his piece (IE is he allowed to)? He made the top
> 3....which would kind of imply his music is now property of Untwelve and only to
> be released on their CD,

There's nothing about it in the rules, and it would not be legal to require that without a specific reassignment of rights. Actually, I can't even find anything which says you can't release the music before the judging was over; apparently they left that to common sense.

> In fact, I don't think any of the rest of us regular participants
> did....even Chris and Cameron (and Sevish, I believe) didn't make the "finalists
> concert". And know that I've heard Gene's Pianodactyl...and it sounds better
> IMVHO than a huge majority of the last competition's entries (all of alien,
> playful, highly variant, and controlled)...I am even more confused.

Thanks, Michael. I liked your entry too. If more dance music was like that piece I would like it much better, but so much popular music grates on me, sad to say.

> I am still trying to figure out how judging works for this thing or what a
> good compositional angle is to take.

Don't worry about the judges. They are just people, and since they didn't give you a prize they must be people without much musical taste, right? The point I am trying to make is, write what YOU like.

Granted, I was predicting Igs would make
> the list...but amazed no one else from here did. Are many to most of the "best"
> microtonalists not active on this list...and, if not, where are they? :-D

I dunno. Igs is the only prize-winner Ive heard of. I'm kind of eager to hear these people.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> /makemicromusic/files/djtrancendance/DimensionHCMAX128.mp3
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

As I said, I like this. It's mellow, but you could definitely dance to it, and you can hear the not-same-old-12et harmony.

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Michael wrote:
>
> >Ugh, so in other words...even if we lost we have to wait to have them
> >hosted by
> >Untwelve?
> >Ok....I'm taking down my file/song until I figure out if posting the files on
> >this archive is "legit"....
>
> Did you sign away rights to your music? You should know!

All he agreed to was to write something specifically for the contest which was not in 12et or in too close a relative. And this agreement has no legal force; it's simply a question of honor and honesty to adhere to it. Not to mention the big boot to the butt your entry would get if you didn't.

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@...>

For those of us who missed the original announcements that were no
doubt posted here, this is the competition everybody's talking about:

http://www.untwelve.org/2010_competition.html

No mention of who *did* win, but somebody must have.

On 22 January 2011 13:31, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> I dunno. Igs is the only prize-winner Ive heard of. I'm kind of eager to hear these people.

60 people beat me to the 60x60 and I haven't heard of most of them . .
. or worked out how to listen to their pieces. There's obviously a
movement out there.

Graham

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I asked and was told not to release my piece.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:31 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>

> There's nothing about it in the rules, and it would not be legal to require that without a specific reassignment of rights. Actually, I can't even find anything which says you can't release the music before the judging was over; apparently they left that to common sense.
>
>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Apparently Yahoo was late - I know why now

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>wrote:

> this 404's for me.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> /makemicromusic/files/djtrancendance/DimensionHCMAX128.mp3
>>
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> Would have used the 192kb/s high quality version, but Yahoo complained the
>>
>> file size was too large...still the high end over 14khz or so doesn't
>> sound too
>> badly damaged...
>>
>>
>

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🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I am pretty sure this request for temporary exclusivity was on the
submission page. Otherwise.... why would I even have thought to ask?

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:01 AM, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...
> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > I asked and was told not to release my piece.
>
> Someone had better tell Aaron that if you want people not to do something,
> you had better tell them and not wait for them to ask. How is it this issue
> didn't come up last year?
>
>
>
>

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🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

Like I said on the other thread...I erased it. I'm still confused as to if
I can release the song now that the competition is over. Plus you at least said
what I suspected...that there was at least a warning about not releasing the
song anywhere else during the competition.

So until I hear from Aaron or an overwhelming majority....I'm keeping my
piece private. This is all too confusing....don't get me wrong though, I
REALLY want to release it.

________________________________
From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 7:54:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MMM] My Untwelve entry and the competition in general...

this 404's for me.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>/makemicromusic/files/djtrancendance/DimensionHCMAX128.mp3
>3
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Would have used the 192kb/s high quality version, but Yahoo complained the
> file size was too large...still the high end over 14khz or so doesn't sound
> too
> badly damaged...
>
>

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🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure this request for temporary exclusivity was on the
> submission page. Otherwise.... why would I even have thought to ask?

Good question, but it's not in the rules or on the submission page. The submission page simply rephrases the rules: "YOUR WORK WILL BE REJECTED IMMEDIATELY IF YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS COMPETITION" and "YOUR WORK WILL BE REJECTED IMMEDIATELY IF IT IS IN STANDARD 12-EQUAL TUNING."

🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

Gene>"Granted, I was predicting Igs would make the list...but amazed no one else
from here did. Are many to most of the "best" microtonalists not active on this
list...and, if not, where are they? :-D

>"I dunno. Igs is the only prize-winner Ive heard of. I'm kind of eager to hear
>these people."

Indeed...I feels like we're missing more than 90% of the scene on these
lists... Apparently there's a fairly large, quite competitive field out
there...

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🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

A very interesting piece I've listened to a few times. What is the sonority
that you often run in parallel? It sounds like a type of 4ths to my ears.

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:18 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
>
> Pianodactyl was my entry for the UnTwelve competition. Well, the
> competition is over and Pianodactyl lost. It is in Rodan temperament, and
> first emerged in 1956 from a giant egg that lay underground in a
> mountainside. It was subsequently savagely beaten and devoured by Godzilla,
> the well-known music critic, but not before first laying waste to many
> innocent eardrums.
>
> If you still want to hear it after all of that, it can be found here:
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl
>
>
>

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

It just reminds me of every time I saw a post to this list expressing
disgust (or something negative) over the arguing here and that they
were leaving the list for good as a result.

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>

> Indeed...I feels like we're missing more than 90% of the scene on these
> lists... Apparently there's a fairly large, quite competitive field out
> there...
>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I'm talking about, mostly, the main tuning list of course.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
It just reminds me of every time I saw a post to this list expressing
disgust (or something negative) over the arguing here and that they
were leaving the list for good as a result.

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:

Indeed...I feels like we're missing more than 90% of the scene on these
lists... Apparently there's a fairly large, quite competitive field out
there...

🔗cityoftheasleep <igliashon@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
> There's nothing about it in the rules, and it would not be legal to require that without a > specific reassignment of rights. Actually, I can't even find anything which says you can't > release the music before the judging was over; apparently they left that to common
> sense.

I e-mailed Aaron, still waiting for a response. As a prize-winner, I don't want to do anything that UnTwelve won't like (it would be ungrateful, I think, since I'm getting more of a reward for this one piece of music than for all the music I've made over my entire life). But it does seem odd that there was no specific legal agreement/assignment of rights that we had to agree to to submit work. I do want to share my piece, I don't actually consider it one of my better ones as I really had to rush it to make the deadline and there are a few sounds in it I really could have picked better synth patches for, but it's pretty good and I think some of you will like it.

> > In fact, I don't think any of the rest of us regular participants
> > did....even Chris and Cameron (and Sevish, I believe) didn't make the "finalists
> > concert". And know that I've heard Gene's Pianodactyl...and it sounds better
> > IMVHO than a huge majority of the last competition's entries (all of alien,
> > playful, highly variant, and controlled)...I am even more confused.

Of last year's winners, I only liked one of them--Petr's piece. Pertout's piece, the other 1st place winner, well...I thought it was a farce that that piece tied Petr's. A farce that it placed at all. Both Gene's and Michael's pieces this year are much better than that one. However, I have no idea what the other winners and finalists this year sound like, so maybe competition was a bit stiffer this year.

> > Granted, I was predicting Igs would make
> > the list...but amazed no one else from here did. Are many to most of the "best"
> > microtonalists not active on this list...and, if not, where are they? :-D

I'm flattered you had such faith in me, Michael, and I also share your amazement that few MMM'ers didn't make the cut. I'll be very curious to hear the other winners and finalists.

-Igs

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> A very interesting piece I've listened to a few times. What is the sonority
> that you often run in parallel? It sounds like a type of 4ths to my ears.

Often in the past I've carefully avoided parallel fifths, but this time I went hog-wild using them, and parallel fourths besides. The idea of the piece was to produce a kind of quasi-Medieval effect, and this went with that. Perhaps the judges put it down to sheer incompetence. :)

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Well, trying to guess the mind of any audience or judge is probably
not worth the effort - unless of course you are purposefully writing
formulaic pop music like the Amish make chairs :-)

For me - it worked as a Debussian type of parallelism. My only
negative thought was that perhaps there wasn't enough contrast. My
piece on the other hand probably didn't have enough unifying devices /
themes.

But hey - it was fun :-)

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > A very interesting piece I've listened to a few times. What is the sonority
> > that you often run in parallel? It sounds like a type of 4ths to my ears.
>
> Often in the past I've carefully avoided parallel fifths, but this time I went hog-wild using them, and parallel fourths besides. The idea of the piece was to produce a kind of quasi-Medieval effect, and this went with that. Perhaps the judges put it down to sheer incompetence. :)
>

🔗sevishmusic <sevish@...>

I was too busy to enter this one :(

Probably wouldn't have got too far anyway!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:

> In fact, I don't think any of the rest of us regular participants
> did....even Chris and Cameron (and Sevish, I believe) didn't make the "finalists
> concert".

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Well, trying to guess the mind of any audience or judge is probably
> not worth the effort - unless of course you are purposefully writing
> formulaic pop music like the Amish make chairs :-)

That's me--the King of Amish pop, a type of music most people don't even know exists.

I'm tempted to first recuse myself from judging my own entry and then produce my judgment on the rest of the contest. Unfortunately, it seems only the winners and runners-up will be hosted, which sort of sucks.

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

but was it last year there was a huge debacle when someone released their
judging notes?

That was... a bummer that everything went ballistic. Personal taste is just
that - personal.

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> Gene wrote:
>
> >I'm tempted to first recuse myself from judging my own entry and then
> >produce my judgment on the rest of the contest. Unfortunately, it
> >seems only the winners and runners-up will be hosted, which sort of sucks.
>
> Sure does. -Carl
>
>
>
>
>

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I appreciated your comments.

But Gene, didn't Weird Al beat you to the punch? - or did you write
this for him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo74Dn7W_pA

:-)

Chris

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>

>
> That's me--the King of Amish pop, a type of music most people don't even know exists.
>
> I'm tempted to first recuse myself from judging my own entry and then produce my judgment on the rest of the contest. Unfortunately, it seems only the winners and runners-up will be hosted, which sort of sucks.

🔗Michael <djtrancendance@...>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Aaron's reaction certainly was a bummer. He still hasn't
apologized for it. -Carl

At 03:17 PM 1/22/2011, you wrote:
>but was it last year there was a huge debacle when someone released their
>judging notes?
>
>That was... a bummer that everything went ballistic. Personal taste is just
>that - personal.
>
>Chris
>
>On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Gene wrote:
>>
>> >I'm tempted to first recuse myself from judging my own entry and then
>> >produce my judgment on the rest of the contest. Unfortunately, it
>> >seems only the winners and runners-up will be hosted, which sort of sucks.
>>
>> Sure does. -Carl
>>
>>
>>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Can you explain a bit more about this, perhaps on tuning or
tuning-math? Your reaction to his ideas was seemingly pretty
negative on the lists last I saw. I'm curious about what
changed your mind, the tool chain you used, etc.

-Carl

Gene wrote:
>I had an e-mail correspondence with Dimitri Tymoczko about his chord
>geometry ideas, and extracted something from it which I used to define
>closeness of one chord to another, which is what his "moduli space" is
>all about. Since I have so many fricken' chords to deal with in these
>big, high-limit scales, this was helpful as it suggested a short list
>of possibilities for where the harmony could go. Maybe I shouldn't
>attach his name to this since I never read his paper, but I used what
>ended up in my noggin after the discussion,

🔗genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗monitorsrock <12tone@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>
> Gene>"Granted, I was predicting Igs would make the list...but amazed no one else
> from here did. Are many to most of the "best" microtonalists not active on this
> list...and, if not, where are they? :-D
>
> >"I dunno. Igs is the only prize-winner Ive heard of. I'm kind of eager to hear
> >these people."
>
> Indeed...I feels like we're missing more than 90% of the scene on these
> lists... Apparently there's a fairly large, quite competitive field out
> there...
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I browse through here once every 1-2 months or so. Who knows how many non-members read this. Maybe I'm just too embarrassed of my email address to post!