Mavila Improvisation

Improvisation in 16-edo Mavila.

http://www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=757&p=4328#p4328

I really love the sound of Mavila, though it took me the whole of last night to
start hearing it fit together.

-John M

PS Sorry if cross posting is frowned upon. I vaguely remember something about cross posting music being ok...

You have discovered maqam Ushshaq there! Very enjoyable piece.

Oz.

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www.ozanyarman.com

John Moriarty wrote:
> Improvisation in 16-edo Mavila.
>
> http://www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=757&p=4328#p4328
>
> I really love the sound of Mavila, though it took me the whole of last night to
> start hearing it fit together.
>
> -John M
>
> PS Sorry if cross posting is frowned upon. I vaguely remember something about cross posting music being ok...
>
>
>

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Hey John,

I enjoyed this a lot (tho I'm unfamiliar with Mavila, it has a nice
feel).

Best,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Moriarty" <JlMoriart@...>
wrote:
>
> Improvisation in 16-edo Mavila.
>
>
http://www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=757&p=4328#p4328
>
> I really love the sound of Mavila, though it took me the whole of last
night to
> start hearing it fit together.
>
> -John M
>
> PS Sorry if cross posting is frowned upon. I vaguely remember
something about cross posting music being ok...
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Moriarty" <JlMoriart@...> wrote:
>
> Improvisation in 16-edo Mavila.
>
> http://www.notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=757&p=4328#p4328
>
> I really love the sound of Mavila, though it took me the whole of last night to
> start hearing it fit together.
>
> -John M
>
> PS Sorry if cross posting is frowned upon. I vaguely remember something about cross posting music being ok...
>

Ah, one of my dear favorite scales. I've got a track in Mavila on my forthcoming album, "Open Space", though done on guitars rather than synthesizers. I also have a Hugh Tracy electric kalimba tuned to a C Mavila, which sounds very nice as well. Wrote a piece with it for UnTwelve, but decided to enter something in 20-EDO Blackwood instead. Hey, I should post the unentered piece here, you might get a kick out of it!

-Igs

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> You have discovered maqam Ushshaq there!

Really? Does that maqam employ the sharp 4th of around 525 cents, and the flat 5th of around 675 cents? If so, fascinating example of the transcontinental parallel evolution of musical scales--one in the Middle East, one in Africa (Mozambique specifically, IIRC). It is my understanding that "Mavila" refers to the name of a Chopi village in Mozambique, where a scale strikingly similar to the 16-EDO "antidiatonic" scale was documented.

-Igs

mavila is a name erlich stole from the research myself and erv did in regard to this village. Erv called the tuning meta mavila. the 16 et versdion is just the type of auto machanic mentality that kills all poetry in the interest of practicality.
it has nothing to do with 16 et or 7 et which likewise are auto machanic mental images of such tunings
,',',',Kraig Grady,',',',
'''''''North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
'''''''South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

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Subject: Re: [MMM] Mavila Improvisation

--- In mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> You have discovered maqam Ushshaq there!

Really? Does that maqam employ the sharp 4th of around 525 cents, and the flat 5th of around 675 cents? If so, fascinating example of the transcontinental parallel evolution of musical scales--one in the Middle East, one in Africa (Mozambique specifically, IIRC). It is my understanding that "Mavila" refers to the name of a Chopi village in Mozambique, where a scale strikingly similar to the 16-EDO "antidiatonic" scale was documented.

-Igs

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Kraig wrote:

>mavila is a name erlich stole from the research myself and erv did in
>regard to this village. Erv called the tuning meta mavila. the 16 et
>versdion is just the type of auto machanic mentality that kills all
>poetry in the interest of practicality.

If we don't attribute ideas, you cry bloody murder that we stole
them from Erv without attribution. If we do, you cry we stole the
name, and that we work on cars.

>it has nothing to do with 16 et or 7 et which likewise are auto
>machanic mental images of such tunings

Don't you have anything better to do?

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, kraiggrady@... wrote:
the 16 et versdion is just the type of auto machanic mentality that kills all poetry in the interest of practicality.

So what would be your preferred version?

@ Oz, John Smith: Thanks!

@ Igs: Yea man, I'd love to hear some non-synth anti-diatonic (Dare I
say Mavila? =P) stuff.

@ Kraig: Could you elaborate? I'm sure the originally observed tunings
of this anti-diatonic scale were not exactly 16-edo, the same way the
first diatonic scales were not 19-, 12-, or 31-edo. But that doesn't
make those equal temperaments "auto machanic mentalities that kill
all poetry in the interest of practicality" does it?

Is the problem with the shortening of Meta-Mavila to just Mavila? Or
maybe you're saying that the anti-diatonic structure should not be
attributed to the name Mavila (or Meta-Mavila?) in the first place?

Whatever the case, I plan on doing more work with this [2L,5S] MOS
scale with a generator between 600 and 685 cents in the future ;-)

-John M

Mavila is a set place with its own tuning.
Out of all the Chopi tunings it is the farest from either 16 or 7 ET.
It is also considered by the Chopi as the best tuning done by any village. (was at the time)
The term Meta Mavila was picked to say it was just mavila -like, realizing that everything about the tuning cannot be known by a casual glance or by book.
Mavila, Pelog, slendro should all be terms that are avoided unless one has knowledge that this indeed is the tuning and not an appox.

My problem is the same if one says my centaur tuning can be appox. wit h 12 ET and then everytime 12 ET comes up people call it centaur with no regard for where it came.
this is my only problem.
sorry every time i see the term i see red.

I have no objection to anyone using anything in any music,
Anti diatonic is good since it describes how others are thinking and using it.

/^_,',',',_ //^/Kraig Grady_^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

a momentary antenna as i turn to water
this evaporates - an island once again

On 13/01/11 1:32 AM, John Moriarty wrote:
>
> @ Oz, John Smith: Thanks!
>
> @ Igs: Yea man, I'd love to hear some non-synth anti-diatonic > (Dare I
> say Mavila? =P) stuff.
>
> @ Kraig: Could you elaborate? I'm sure the originally observed > tunings
> of this anti-diatonic scale were not exactly 16-edo, the same > way the
> first diatonic scales were not 19-, 12-, or 31-edo. But that > doesn't
> make those equal temperaments "auto machanic mentalities that kill
> all poetry in the interest of practicality" does it?
>
> Is the problem with the shortening of Meta-Mavila to just > Mavila? Or
> maybe you're saying that the anti-diatonic structure should not be
> attributed to the name Mavila (or Meta-Mavila?) in the first > place?
>
> Whatever the case, I plan on doing more work with this [2L,5S] MOS
> scale with a generator between 600 and 685 cents in the future ;-)
>
> -John M
>
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> Mavila is a set place with its own tuning.

Which is what?