A new recording of my Sonata

Hello all,

I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two kemenches
and a pianoforte. This I have presented two days ago at the first
International Kemenche Symposium to a Turkish audience with foreign
visitors from abroad, receiving much acclaim.

You can hear it in this link, and also download the scores:

www.ozanyarman.com/musics.html

As the explanation suggests, I have cranked and tweaked the Ethno2 pack
to its acoustical limits in trying to produce very realistic kemenche
timbres. I think I succeeded very well at that, given this was all done
in the matter of a single week or so.

Note, that the Kemenche parts were micro-tuned (as explained in the
dedicated score) using MIDI output of Mus2, an excellent score editor
from Data-Soft, Turkiye.

You can also compare this recording (v.2010) with the one I made several
years ago (v.2003) utilizing Yamaha SW1000XG tone module soundtable and
pitch cent offsets also available in the above link.

Comments welcome!

Dr. Oz.

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My Good Doctor,

This is absolutely marvelous, I love it. As always, your works provoke
in me admiration and envy! I will be trying to listen to all your posted
works as time permits (I am working a 55-hour shift this week)...

Yours,
jls

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two
kemenches
> and a pianoforte. ..

Thank you very much Jon Lyle! :)

Oz.

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jsmith9624@... wrote:
> My Good Doctor,
>
> This is absolutely marvelous, I love it. As always, your works provoke
> in me admiration and envy! I will be trying to listen to all your posted
> works as time permits (I am working a 55-hour shift this week)...
>
>
> Yours,
> jls
>
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman<ozanyarman@...>
> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two
> kemenches
>> and a pianoforte. ..
>
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Hi,
it sounds good. Maybe too good. Some irregularities, noises and dirty sounds might make it even more realistic.
Best
Milan

On 12/04/2010 04:16 AM, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two kemenches
> and a pianoforte. This I have presented two days ago at the first
> International Kemenche Symposium to a Turkish audience with foreign
> visitors from abroad, receiving much acclaim.
>
> You can hear it in this link, and also download the scores:
>
> www.ozanyarman.com/musics.html
>
> As the explanation suggests, I have cranked and tweaked the Ethno2 pack
> to its acoustical limits in trying to produce very realistic kemenche
> timbres. I think I succeeded very well at that, given this was all done
> in the matter of a single week or so.
>
> Note, that the Kemenche parts were micro-tuned (as explained in the
> dedicated score) using MIDI output of Mus2, an excellent score editor
> from Data-Soft, Turkiye.
>
> You can also compare this recording (v.2010) with the one I made several
> years ago (v.2003) utilizing Yamaha SW1000XG tone module soundtable and
> pitch cent offsets also available in the above link.
>
> Comments welcome!
>
> Dr. Oz.
>

Thank you for the listen and comment Milan. I have been thinking, in the
same spirit, that it could be interesting to give the whole recording a
1950s radio veneer. That might work to my advantage with the proponents
of nostalgia. :)

Oz.

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www.ozanyarman.com

aum wrote:
> Hi,
> it sounds good. Maybe too good. Some irregularities, noises and dirty
> sounds might make it even more realistic.
> Best
> Milan
>
> On 12/04/2010 04:16 AM, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two kemenches
>> and a pianoforte. This I have presented two days ago at the first
>> International Kemenche Symposium to a Turkish audience with foreign
>> visitors from abroad, receiving much acclaim.
>>
>> You can hear it in this link, and also download the scores:
>>
>> www.ozanyarman.com/musics.html
>>
>> As the explanation suggests, I have cranked and tweaked the Ethno2 pack
>> to its acoustical limits in trying to produce very realistic kemenche
>> timbres. I think I succeeded very well at that, given this was all done
>> in the matter of a single week or so.
>>
>> Note, that the Kemenche parts were micro-tuned (as explained in the
>> dedicated score) using MIDI output of Mus2, an excellent score editor
>> from Data-Soft, Turkiye.
>>
>> You can also compare this recording (v.2010) with the one I made several
>> years ago (v.2003) utilizing Yamaha SW1000XG tone module soundtable and
>> pitch cent offsets also available in the above link.
>>
>> Comments welcome!
>>
>> Dr. Oz.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the listen and comment Milan. I have been thinking, in the
> same spirit, that it could be interesting to give the whole recording a
> 1950s radio veneer. That might work to my advantage with the proponents
> of nostalgia. :)

I thought it worked fine as is.

Sounds really good, and I also like the composition! The kemenche sounds are quite impressively acoustic, if we consider that it's purely digital. In the previous version, the kemenches sounded a lot like violins to me, while in this recording the sound is quite distinct.

A little thing I might critisize in the new recording is that the piano tends to be too much in the background (I liked that better in the previous version).

Apart from the kemenche timbres, the piece sounds quite "western" to me - the composition, in any case. I also hardly notice that the tuning is different. But anyway, as far as I know, layer 1 of Yarman-36 differs from 12EDO by maximally 4 cents; is that correct? It would explain the behaviour of my ears (I cannot speak for other ears, of course). It might be interesting to hear a 12EDO version of the piece, for comparison.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@...m, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two
> kemenches and a pianoforte. This I have presented two days ago at
> the first International Kemenche Symposium to a Turkish audience
> with foreign visitors from abroad, receiving much acclaim.
>
> You can hear it in this link, and also download the scores:
>
> www.ozanyarman.com/musics.html
>
> As the explanation suggests, I have cranked and tweaked the Ethno2
> pack to its acoustical limits in trying to produce very realistic
> kemenche timbres. I think I succeeded very well at that, given this
> was all done in the matter of a single week or so.
>
> Note, that the Kemenche parts were micro-tuned (as explained in the
> dedicated score) using MIDI output of Mus2, an excellent score
> editor from Data-Soft, Turkiye.
>
> You can also compare this recording (v.2010) with the one I made
> several years ago (v.2003) utilizing Yamaha SW1000XG tone module
> soundtable and pitch cent offsets also available in the above link.
>
> Comments welcome!
>
> Dr. Oz.
>
> --
>
> ✩ ✩ ✩
> www.ozanyarman.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thank you for listening to and finding likable the work Hans! I have
intentionally placed the piano a tad in the background to pronounce the
kemenche parts, for they were the star attraction at the said Symposium.

Maximum absolute difference between Yarman-36 Layer I and 12-equal is 6
cents. This is the 594 cent F#:

Step size is 100.0000 cents
1: 97.641: 1: 100.0000 cents diff. 0.023594 steps, 2.3594
cents
2: 198.747: 2: 200.0000 cents diff. 0.012534 steps, 1.2534
cents
3: 303.638: 3: 300.0000 cents diff. -0.036377 steps, -3.6377
cents
4: 396.078: 4: 400.0000 cents diff. 0.039224 steps, 3.9224
cents
5: 501.356: 5: 500.0000 cents diff. -0.013562 steps, -1.3562
cents
6: 594.119: 6: 600.0000 cents diff. 0.058814 steps, 5.8815
cents
7: 699.744: 7: 700.0000 cents diff. 0.002560 steps, 0.2560
cents
8: 801.683: 8: 800.0000 cents diff. -0.016827 steps, -1.6827
cents
9: 896.757: 9: 900.0000 cents diff. 0.032428 steps, 3.2428
cents
10: 1001.880: 10: 1000.0000 cents diff. -0.018804 steps, -1.8805
cents
11: 1094.514: 11: 1100.0000 cents diff. 0.054864 steps, 5.4864
cents
12: 1200.000: 12: 1200.0000 cents diff. 0.000000 steps, 0.0000
cents
Total absolute difference : 0.309591 steps, 30.9591 cents
Average absolute difference: 0.025799 steps, 2.5799 cents
Root mean square difference: 0.031522 steps, 3.1522 cents
Highest absolute difference: 0.058814 steps, 5.8815 cents

When I was initially working with the 12-equal MIDI piano part, I
noticed that the chords were just a tell-tale bit sparkier. I don't know
how much 12-equal the Logic library Concert Grand piano really is
actually... It all boiled down to setting the right tuning that wasn't
"fixed to 12-equal" which also worked with the piece. I happily ended up
using my own construct since the chords were pleasing enough compared to
many other temperament options.

Another thought is, If the piece is actually sounding Western despite
the regular utilization of The Pythagorean + quartertonal division of
the wholetones (adding also the occasional 3-comma flats), then this is
significative of two things in my opinion:

1. That what makes a music Western-sounding has hardly much to do with
the tuning as long as it has a characteristic diatonic basis.

2. That the tunings professed to work for Turkish and Arabic Maqam
musics may not necessarily serve the desired purposes even when
utilizing Eastern or Eastern-inspired melodies.

Cordially,
Oz.

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hstraub64 wrote:
> Sounds really good, and I also like the composition! The kemenche sounds are quite impressively acoustic, if we consider that it's purely digital. In the previous version, the kemenches sounded a lot like violins to me, while in this recording the sound is quite distinct.
>
> A little thing I might critisize in the new recording is that the piano tends to be too much in the background (I liked that better in the previous version).
>
> Apart from the kemenche timbres, the piece sounds quite "western" to me - the composition, in any case. I also hardly notice that the tuning is different. But anyway, as far as I know, layer 1 of Yarman-36 differs from 12EDO by maximally 4 cents; is that correct? It would explain the behaviour of my ears (I cannot speak for other ears, of course). It might be interesting to hear a 12EDO version of the piece, for comparison.
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman<ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have completed a new digital mastering of my Sonata for two
>> kemenches and a pianoforte. This I have presented two days ago at
>> the first International Kemenche Symposium to a Turkish audience
>> with foreign visitors from abroad, receiving much acclaim.
>>
>> You can hear it in this link, and also download the scores:
>>
>> www.ozanyarman.com/musics.html
>>
>> As the explanation suggests, I have cranked and tweaked the Ethno2
>> pack to its acoustical limits in trying to produce very realistic
>> kemenche timbres. I think I succeeded very well at that, given this
>> was all done in the matter of a single week or so.
>>
>> Note, that the Kemenche parts were micro-tuned (as explained in the
>> dedicated score) using MIDI output of Mus2, an excellent score
>> editor from Data-Soft, Turkiye.
>>
>> You can also compare this recording (v.2010) with the one I made
>> several years ago (v.2003) utilizing Yamaha SW1000XG tone module
>> soundtable and pitch cent offsets also available in the above link.
>>
>> Comments welcome!
>>
>> Dr. Oz.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ✩ ✩ ✩
>> www.ozanyarman.com
>>
>>
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