Birds

Well, I'm open for anything...but, if birds were singing in 12 eq that would be astonishing, cause overall, it's a mathematically contrived tuning, and not very natural...and animals are natural indeed...best...Hstick www.microstick.net

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this article claims just that.

http://www2.arnes.si/~ljprirodm3/okvir.html

See about half way down.

This is what started the thread.

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Neil Haverstick <microstick@...> wrote:

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Not exactly, it says
"Surprising are also songs of many tropical birds, some of them are
singing in major or minor scales up (a) or down (b) "

Ok, but it doesn't say, for example, how close the Myiophoneus caeruleus's notes are to the F G# B C# D# E indicated as one of it's "songs". It could be that the second E is a shrunk octave or the B is 20 cents sharp. Or the there are other notes the bird sings beside F G# B C# D# E that are 20 cents or more off notes in that key. Also note, the notes F G# B C# D# E are in no one standard key in 12TET due to the the D#-E-F!

Someone would have to give exact tones of the birds, in a very accurate measure such as cents, to prove may birds indeed sing in 12TET.

-Michael

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Subject: Re: [MMM] Birds

this article claims just that.

http://www2.arnes.si/~ljprirodm3/okvir.html

See about half way down.

This is what started the thread.

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Neil Haverstick <microstick@...> wrote:

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> Well, I'm open for anything...but, if birds were singing in 12 eq that
> would be astonishing, cause overall, it's a mathematically contrived tuning,
> and not very natural...and animals are natural indeed...best...Hstick
> www.microstick.net
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Everybody knows about Olivier Messiaen and his using of bird songs
and motifs in his works. I'm not sure how much exactly he
transcribed, probably not too much, I don't think he was interested
in microtonality. His works are in standard 12 ET.

Also Leoš Janáček notated some bird songs but just as a part of his
notating of all sounds and speech intonation mainly. Again - no
interest in microtonality, he composed in 12 ET.

Then Hungarian musicologist Péter Szőke did bird songs recording,
analyzing (with the help of slow down the record} and
transcriptions. You can find some info about his work easily.

Daniel Forró

On 23 May 2010, at 12:35 PM, Michael wrote:

> Not exactly, it says
> "Surprising are also songs of many tropical birds, some of them are
> singing in major or minor scales up (a) or down (b) "
>
> Ok, but it doesn't say, for example, how close the Myiophoneus
> caeruleus's notes are to the F G# B C# D# E indicated as one of
> it's "songs". It could be that the second E is a shrunk octave or
> the B is 20 cents sharp. Or the there are other notes the bird
> sings beside F G# B C# D# E that are 20 cents or more off notes in
> that key. Also note, the notes F G# B C# D# E are in no one
> standard key in 12TET due to the the D#-E-F!
>
> Someone would have to give exact tones of the birds, in a very
> accurate measure such as cents, to prove may birds indeed sing in
> 12TET.
>
> -Michael
>