Hesitation Waltz (5 limit JI)

I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually programming
samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).

Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:

http://dasiimusic.com/s17

If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a download
page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested it
on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(

--
http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade guitars..."

On 28 April 2010 16:48, <doctor@...> wrote:

> I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually programming
> samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>
> Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>
> http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>

Thanks!

It has something really nice in the harmonies!
Reminds me of Boards of Canada somehow (and that's a very very good thing in
my book)

As for the negative comments.
Some of the notes sound very out of tune to me, in a not so nice way.
And I don't much like the soundfont sounds.
Boards of Canada used Ensoniq EPS and ASR synths btw, which could render
this piece very nice I think (in 5-limit JI too).

Marcel

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We went to a Calliope museum in Ohio one year and many of the sounds and in
fact intervals
in this piece sound similar though a heck of a lot quieter :-)

- So you are a Sonar user?

I have dimension LE as well so I'd be interested in your technique.

thanks,

Chris

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, <doctor@...> wrote:

>
>
> I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually programming
> samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>
> Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>
> http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>
> If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
> http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a download
> page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested it
> on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(
>
> --
> http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade
> guitars..."
>
>

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At 07:48 AM 4/28/2010, you wrote:
>I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually programming
>samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>
>Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>
>http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>
>If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
>http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a download
>page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested it
>on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(

Hi David,

I like it all the way through. Unlike Marcel, I don't hear any
mistuned intervals. The synth sounds a bit dated, but not at all
bad in this performance. Thanks for sharing,

-Carl

As far as I can tell, Dimension LE can't read scala files... and ATM, I
can't afford to upgrade to something that can.

So I wrote a program (in Python - slow, but easy to use). The program
starts at a given note number and hertz specified at the start of the prog
and runs through to another given note number. The interval set, harmonic
content, ADSR parameters, vibrato parameters, and tremelo parameters are
also set in variables at the beginning.

Then for each note, it generates a tone and applies the ADSR to it. I
actually save two versions of the tone - the ADSR tone and the tone with
the AD parts stripped off, i.e., a "no attack" version for slurred notes.

The program also writes a .sfz file to load into Dimension LE. It fills in
notes for which tones were not generated by finding (multiple-)octave
notes that were generated. The .sfz file uses the ADSR tone for velocity
>=100 and the "no attack" tone for velocity < 100.

For some patches, I generated multiple octaves so the vibratos and
tremelos would be consistent across octaves. For others, I just generated
one octave an let the .sfz file do the work.

No user interface on this. I just copy the prog and modify for each patch
I want to generate. Each patch is in its own folder - necessary since the
tone files are always named <note number>.wav and <note number>n.wav.

If you want to try this prog out, let me know and I'll put it somewhere
you download it.

> We went to a Calliope museum in Ohio one year and many of the sounds and
> in
> fact intervals
> in this piece sound similar though a heck of a lot quieter :-)
>
> - So you are a Sonar user?
>
> I have dimension LE as well so I'd be interested in your technique.
>
> thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, <doctor@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually
>> programming
>> samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>>
>> Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>>
>> http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>>
>> If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
>> http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a download
>> page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested
>> it
>> on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(
>>
>> --
>> http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade
>> guitars..."
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

--
http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade guitars..."

Thanks Carl.

Since it's a basic ADSR synth (see my other post about the program) and no
one uses those anymore, it does sound dated. I need to figure out how to
change pitch programatically and then I could use samples in my program.

The piece changes keys in the development and comes out in the relative
minor - whose tonic chord definitely has a flatter than perfect fifth, so
I'm not surprised that Marcel heard some out-of-tune intervals... but IMO
it's just a feature of changing keys in JI.

> At 07:48 AM 4/28/2010, you wrote:
>>I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually
>> programming
>>samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>>
>>Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>>
>>http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>>
>>If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
>>http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a download
>>page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested
>> it
>>on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(
>
> Hi David,
>
> I like it all the way through. Unlike Marcel, I don't hear any
> mistuned intervals. The synth sounds a bit dated, but not at all
> bad in this performance. Thanks for sharing,
>
> -Carl
>
>

--
http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade guitars..."

But Dimension pro does - I forgot I purchased this on a cakewalk promotion
for something cheap like $79.

Your program sound cool - especially the modulating the harmonic content
part.

Chris

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, <doctor@...> wrote:

>
>
> As far as I can tell, Dimension LE can't read scala files... and ATM, I
> can't afford to upgrade to something that can.
>
> So I wrote a program (in Python - slow, but easy to use). The program
> starts at a given note number and hertz specified at the start of the prog
> and runs through to another given note number. The interval set, harmonic
> content, ADSR parameters, vibrato parameters, and tremelo parameters are
> also set in variables at the beginning.
>
> Then for each note, it generates a tone and applies the ADSR to it. I
> actually save two versions of the tone - the ADSR tone and the tone with
> the AD parts stripped off, i.e., a "no attack" version for slurred notes.
>
> The program also writes a .sfz file to load into Dimension LE. It fills in
> notes for which tones were not generated by finding (multiple-)octave
> notes that were generated. The .sfz file uses the ADSR tone for velocity
> >=100 and the "no attack" tone for velocity < 100.
>
> For some patches, I generated multiple octaves so the vibratos and
> tremelos would be consistent across octaves. For others, I just generated
> one octave an let the .sfz file do the work.
>
> No user interface on this. I just copy the prog and modify for each patch
> I want to generate. Each patch is in its own folder - necessary since the
> tone files are always named <note number>.wav and <note number>n.wav.
>
> If you want to try this prog out, let me know and I'll put it somewhere
> you download it.
>
> > We went to a Calliope museum in Ohio one year and many of the sounds and
> > in
> > fact intervals
> > in this piece sound similar though a heck of a lot quieter :-)
> >
> > - So you are a Sonar user?
> >
> > I have dimension LE as well so I'd be interested in your technique.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, <doctor@...<doctor%40doctoroakroot.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually
> >> programming
> >> samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
> >>
> >> Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
> >>
> >> http://dasiimusic.com/s17
> >>
> >> If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
> >> http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a
> download
> >> page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only tested
> >> it
> >> on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade
> >> guitars..."
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade
> guitars..."
>
>

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> I like it all the way through. Unlike Marcel, I don't hear any
> mistuned intervals.

I hear 3 or 4 xentonal melodic steps - only in the melody, though.

> The synth sounds a bit dated, but not at all
> bad in this performance. Thanks for sharing,
>

It does indeed sound dated - to me not a bit, but rather a lot... And the performance, I have to say, sounds terribly "mechanical" to me.

I will sure like to hear it with samples.

--
Hans Straub

Hans>"It does indeed sound dated - to me not a bit, but rather a lot... And
the performance, I have to say, sounds terribly "mechanical" to me."

Bizarre.
I don't know what it is but the third chord from the intro and a few others sound very forced. It sounds almost overly proportionate, in the same way an additive-synth-generate guitar sample sounds vs. a lush, fluctuating pad sound. Either very consonant or very tense but rarely in between or "flowing from one to the other". Nothing wrong with the chords used or anything...but between the playing and perhaps the way it uses the scale it indeed feels quite mechanical to me as well.

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Haha, this is nice in a funny way, even with an Alla Turca flair. :)

Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:48 PM, doctor@... wrote:

> I've been building a 5 limit JI soft synth recently. (Actually
> programming
> samples and sfz files for Dimension LE).
>
> Anyway, here's a first piece on my new soft synth:
>
> http://dasiimusic.com/s17
>
> If you're on a blackberry or other PDA, you can go to
> http://dasiimusic.com/pda and put s17 into the form to get to a
> download
> page. Let me know how well that works for your device. I've only> tested it
> on my (not very) smart phone - which can't download files that big :(
>
>
> --
> http://DoctorOakroot.com - "rough-edged songs on quirky homemade
> guitars..."
>