A home for music

Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes south again it won't just vanish?

Are you looking for someone to hold on to your
music for the future?

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

From: genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...>
Subject: [MMM] A home for music
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 2:57 AM

Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes south again it won't just vanish?

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Gene,

I can offer you some space on my server / websites. For permenance beyond me
soundcloud or internet archive ( http://www.archive.org/ ) are probably good
bets.

Chris

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:57 AM, genewardsmith
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> Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes
> south again it won't just vanish?
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Hi Gene,

Check into www.nearlyfreespeech.net. They're a "pay for only what you use"
host. It's like $.01 per megabyte per month of storage, and $1.00 per
gigabyte of data transfer per month. Might be pretty cheap. I have a few
sites sitting there that I pay like $.02 a month for, because they aren't
doing much.

-Mike

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:57 AM, genewardsmith
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> Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes
> south again it won't just vanish?
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I tossed dingsheng.mp3 here

http://micro.soonlabel.com/graham-breed/

if you ever want it taken down just send word.

Chris

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:57 AM, genewardsmith
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> south again it won't just vanish?
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Not so good if you die and stop paying the bill. Archive.org
would be my pick.

-Carl

At 01:41 PM 4/9/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>Check into www.nearlyfreespeech.net. They're a "pay for only what you use"
>host. It's like $.01 per megabyte per month of storage, and $1.00 per
>gigabyte of data transfer per month. Might be pretty cheap. I have a few
>sites sitting there that I pay like $.02 a month for, because they aren't
>doing much.
>
>-Mike
>

On 10 April 2010 00:41, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> Check into www.nearlyfreespeech.net. They're a "pay for only what you use"
> host. It's like $.01 per megabyte per month of storage, and $1.00 per
> gigabyte of data transfer per month. Might be pretty cheap. I have a few
> sites sitting there that I pay like $.02 a month for, because they aren't
> doing much.

I use them for my website. Yes, they're good, but the storage costs
start to be significant when you have a lot of music up. Still not
that expensive but not such an obviously good deal. It's a much
better option for a low-bandwidth theory-heavy site. (Problems I'm
having connecting, as in the other thread, are not at all their fault.
I just don't trust FTP, because I got hacked through it before, and I
don't have anything more secure set up yet.)

One advantage is that you can pour a load of money in and the site
keeps going. That's good if you can't be sure of your health. I lost
a site once after I went to China, and then to hospital, and missed
the annual payment. It's a danger with regular renewals.

Graham

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...> wrote:
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> Are you looking for someone to hold on to your
> music for the future?

That would be good. A permanent microtonal depository for everyone makes sense in the current state of data storage pricing.

>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Joel Hickman
><joelhickman_1999@...> wrote:
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>> Are you looking for someone to hold on to your
>> music for the future?
>
>That would be good. A permanent microtonal depository for everyone
>makes sense in the current state of data storage pricing.

I don't see a reason why archive.org wouldn't work. Short of a
nonprofit microtonal foundation with lots of money it seems like
the best tool for the job.

-Carl

That is an excellent idea.

We would have to set up a foundation of some type and receive donations to
keep it afloat.

Yes, I can offer storage for now - but this is something that needs to be
bigger than me.

I am part of the "music module scene" and there is an archive of essentially
all modules have been stored and sorted in various ways.

http://modarchive.org/

Right now my hosting costs $180 a year for 1TB of storage with unlimited
traffic and unlimited most everything else. So this is doable for 10 people
donating $20 - or however you want to divide it.

Chris

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM, genewardsmith
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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...> wrote:
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> > Are you looking for someone to hold on to your
> > music for the future?
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> That would be good. A permanent microtonal depository for everyone makes
> sense in the current state of data storage pricing.
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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

> I don't see a reason why archive.org wouldn't work. Short of a
> nonprofit microtonal foundation with lots of money it seems like
> the best tool for the job.

The Wayback Machine is really slow, does somethign else they do work better?

Gene wrote:
>> I don't see a reason why archive.org wouldn't work. Short of a
>> nonprofit microtonal foundation with lots of money it seems like
>> the best tool for the job.
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>The Wayback Machine is really slow, does somethign else they do work better?

Yes. You can upload any audio you own the rights to, and they'll
host it 'forever'. The first 17-tone piano concert was done this way
and it's still there after 4 years:

http://www.archive.org/details/seventeenTPP_01

I clicked on Jacob Barton and got a list of his uploads in record
time, sortable by all kinds of things like date, etc.

Googling for "17-tone piano concert" also brought up one of the
archive.org pages in the top 5 or so.

-Carl

I joined up, thank Carl.

I would like my best work to be there regardless of what I do.

Chris

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org> wrote:

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> Gene wrote:
> >> I don't see a reason why archive.org wouldn't work. Short of a
> >> nonprofit microtonal foundation with lots of money it seems like
> >> the best tool for the job.
> >
> >The Wayback Machine is really slow, does somethign else they do work
> better?
>
> Yes. You can upload any audio you own the rights to, and they'll
> host it 'forever'. The first 17-tone piano concert was done this way
> and it's still there after 4 years:
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> http://www.archive.org/details/seventeenTPP_01
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> I clicked on Jacob Barton and got a list of his uploads in record
> time, sortable by all kinds of things like date, etc.
>
> Googling for "17-tone piano concert" also brought up one of the
> archive.org pages in the top 5 or so.
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> -Carl
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>

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
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> I joined up, thank Carl.

I joined up also, but I am not happy with the ungenerous 10 MB size limit. A 25 MB limit would have been far better.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
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> Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes south again it won't just vanish?
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I just joined http://notonlymusic.com, and boy, am I confused.

This is a completely useless post right now, but just to give a heads up:
I'm in the process of creating a microtonal/theory site now. It isn't up
yet, but should be soon. When it is, I'll be happy to host EVERYONE's stuff
for free. I don't think that any kind of storage space cap will be necessary
once I get hosting worked out.

If you guys can find a workable solution for the next month or so, I'll
offer to take care of it from that point on. Again, a completely useless
post until the site is up, but here's a preemptive notice until then.

-Mike

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM, genewardsmith
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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
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> > Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes
> south again it won't just vanish?
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> I just joined http://notonlymusic.com, and boy, am I confused.
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What are you confused about?

If you have never used a forum before ...

Though this is better off list.

Chris

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> "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
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> > Where would be a good place to park my music so that if my health goes
> south again it won't just vanish?
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> I just joined http://notonlymusic.com, and boy, am I confused.
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Sounds great, but I don't see what it has to do with
Gene's request. We're talking about storage that can
outlive individuals. In business, this is called the
hit-by-a-bus number.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
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> This is a completely useless post right now, but just to give
> a heads up: I'm in the process of creating a microtonal/theory
> site now.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
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> What are you confused about?

Why a discussion of how to post something isn't in the FAQ.

> Sounds great, but I don't see what it has to do with
> Gene's request.

The discussion is about a permanent microtonal repository, since
hosting is so expensive these days. I'm alerting you guys to the fact
that I'll be offering one for free soon. In fact, I'll be paying for
it.

> We're talking about storage that can
> outlive individuals.

I think I'll be around for a while.

> In business, this is called the
> hit-by-a-bus number.

Explain this.

-Mike

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> I joined up also, but I am not happy with the ungenerous 10 MB
> size limit. A 25 MB limit would have been far better.

A nonprofit org offering to host anyone's content in perpetuity
without ads imposes a 10 MB file limit? What tightwads!

At an avg bitrate of 256Kbps (effectively lossless mp3) that's
about 5m12s of music. So I can see that it might be a problem.
The baseline should be encoding Tales From Topographic Oceans
in four files. That would be a 50MB limit as a round number.
Then if anyone complained they could just say, hey, this stuff
isn't half as good as Topographic Oceans, why should it be longer?

I'll send this along to them.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
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> > Sounds great, but I don't see what it has to do with
> > Gene's request.
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> The discussion is about a permanent microtonal repository, since
> hosting is so expensive these days. I'm alerting you guys to the
> fact that I'll be offering one for free soon. In fact, I'll be
> paying for it.

You're setting up a trust then? What will the endowment be?

> > We're talking about storage that can
> > outlive individuals.
>
> I think I'll be around for a while.

You said "permanent" yourself. A "while" is not permanent.

> > In business, this is called the
> > hit-by-a-bus number.
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> Explain this.

It's the number of people that have to be hit by a bus to
stop the effort. If Gene wanted a bus number of 1, I could
host his stuff, or Chris. In fact I did offer to do that
months ago, but he never sent me the files.

-Carl

Oh, my mistake. I misunderstood what you were all going for. I'll do some
poking around.

-Mike

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org> wrote:

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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds great, but I don't see what it has to do with
> > > Gene's request.
> >
> > The discussion is about a permanent microtonal repository, since
> > hosting is so expensive these days. I'm alerting you guys to the
> > fact that I'll be offering one for free soon. In fact, I'll be
> > paying for it.
>
> You're setting up a trust then? What will the endowment be?
>
>
> > > We're talking about storage that can
> > > outlive individuals.
> >
> > I think I'll be around for a while.
>
> You said "permanent" yourself. A "while" is not permanent.
>
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> > > In business, this is called the
> > > hit-by-a-bus number.
> >
> > Explain this.
>
> It's the number of people that have to be hit by a bus to
> stop the effort. If Gene wanted a bus number of 1, I could
> host his stuff, or Chris. In fact I did offer to do that
> months ago, but he never sent me the files.
>
> -Carl
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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@> wrote:
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> > I joined up also, but I am not happy with the ungenerous 10 MB
> > size limit. A 25 MB limit would have been far better.

Hold on, where'd you get this from? I just uploaded a 29MB file,
and I don't see anything about size limits in their FAQ...

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
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> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@> wrote:
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> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@> wrote:
> >
> > > I joined up also, but I am not happy with the ungenerous 10 MB
> > > size limit. A 25 MB limit would have been far better.
>
> Hold on, where'd you get this from? I just uploaded a 29MB file,
> and I don't see anything about size limits in their FAQ...

From the site, I thought. But evidently it's not true.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
In fact I did offer to do that
> months ago, but he never sent me the files.

Eh? I thought I did.

At 09:31 PM 4/10/2010, Gene wrote:

>> In fact I did offer to do that
>> months ago, but he never sent me the files.
>
> Eh? I thought I did.

I have the html here

http://lumma.org/tuning/gws/

but I'm missing the media. I think you did say you thought you'd
sent it, but anyway I don't have it. It'd be too large to send
over e-mail.

-Carl

You could not post anything until I accepted your registration. That is needed to prevent spam.

Posting replies or starting a new thread have clickable buttons. All of that should be available now if you log into www.notonlymusic.com

Chris
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:07:14
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [MMM] Re: A home for music

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
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> What are you confused about?

Why a discussion of how to post something isn't in the FAQ.

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