Re: [MMM] judge's notes: unabridged feedback on your compositions

OK, I deleted the original post from the yahoo archives at AKJ's
request. I was half kidding when I suggested he'd be ticked and
I have mixed feelings about it but I can see his side of it.

I would suggest that for future competitions, anyone should be
allowed to listen and vote. I think Chris V. suggested that too.

-Carl

Eh, let's not turn this into a contest of who can figure out how to most
effectively rig the polls...
-Mike

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

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>
> OK, I deleted the original post from the yahoo archives at AKJ's
> request. I was half kidding when I suggested he'd be ticked and
> I have mixed feelings about it but I can see his side of it.
>
> I would suggest that for future competitions, anyone should be
> allowed to listen and vote. I think Chris V. suggested that too.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>

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>> I would suggest that for future competitions, anyone should be
>> allowed to listen and vote. I think Chris V. suggested that too.

At 11:04 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
>Eh, let's not turn this into a contest of who can figure out how to most
>effectively rig the polls...
>-Mike

Ah yes, that was the counterargument. With a cash prize I suppose
it's always an issue. But if we had a microtonal-only site like
traxinspace (though maybe more discussion-oriented, like a subreddit)
I don't think it'd be a problem.

Besides, I say, if any microtonal composer has a big enough following
to bomb a poll, let them come! The site could freshly randomize the
link names and order each time the page is refreshed, so at least the
shills would have to listen to about half the other pieces.

-Carl

In my contest I'm simply accepting the possibility if cheating. It is for
the greater good of having more people participate in the competition, even
as voters.

I can't possibly verify samples being in every song (there are a couple I
wonder about) or where each vote comes in from or if each voter listened
fairly to each song so simply I accept the reality.

However, judging from the long drawn out and painful discussion concerning a
license agreement to play people's music on the 81/80 radio my opinion is
that a number of composers here are taking this way too seriously. What I
mean is if you put your music on the internet in *any* form you've lost
control.... that is the reality. And believe me I think my music has value
too!

The reason I bring this up is I can see where there may be a witch hunt if
some thinks someone "rigged the polls" which would ruin it any completion by
being too serious about it all.

No offense made - this was my thinking with respect to the $35 SoOn
competition.

Chris

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>wrote:

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> Eh, let's not turn this into a contest of who can figure out how to most
> effectively rig the polls...
> -Mike
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...<carl%40lumma.org>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK, I deleted the original post from the yahoo archives at AKJ's
> > request. I was half kidding when I suggested he'd be ticked and
> > I have mixed feelings about it but I can see his side of it.
> >
> > I would suggest that for future competitions, anyone should be
> > allowed to listen and vote. I think Chris V. suggested that too.
> >
> > -Carl
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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I totally agree with Carl here. The $35 competition will have a winner that
is most popular. Which may be also most competent as well. However.... this
is the way most competitions are run that have public voting.

And I know one entrant is already drumming up support in his home country
and internet community.

Chris

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

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>
> >> I would suggest that for future competitions, anyone should be
> >> allowed to listen and vote. I think Chris V. suggested that too.
>
> At 11:04 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
> >Eh, let's not turn this into a contest of who can figure out how to most
> >effectively rig the polls...
> >-Mike
>
> Ah yes, that was the counterargument. With a cash prize I suppose
> it's always an issue. But if we had a microtonal-only site like
> traxinspace (though maybe more discussion-oriented, like a subreddit)
> I don't think it'd be a problem.
>
> Besides, I say, if any microtonal composer has a big enough following
> to bomb a poll, let them come! The site could freshly randomize the
> link names and order each time the page is refreshed, so at least the
> shills would have to listen to about half the other pieces.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>

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