Re: The impossible has been done! Beethoven in Just Intonation. & Meantone

HI Tunatiks

As an exercise in futility, I have used the midi file provided by Marcel, and LucyTuned it to 3b2s i.e CC#DEbEFF#GAbABbB.

This gives us a rather strange chord of CEbF#A in bar 20, yet it actually sounds right.

I suppose you could consider it to be F# diminished 7. (F# A C Eb) three steps of bIIIrds.

Anyway I have put the files at:

http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2s.pdf

http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2sBone.mp3

for those who, like me, who are curious.

Charles Lucy
lucy@...

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Not surprisingly, Beethoven sounds great in a heavy Meantone. This piece would also sound excellent, albeit more "music of the spheres" unusual, in a turbo "meantone" like 26 equal, a highly underrated tuning.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <makemicro@...> wrote:
>
> HI Tunatiks
>
> As an exercise in futility, I have used the midi file provided by
> Marcel, and LucyTuned it to 3b2s i.e CC#DEbEFF#GAbABbB.
>
> This gives us a rather strange chord of CEbF#A in bar 20, yet it
> actually sounds right.
>
> I suppose you could consider it to be F# diminished 7. (F# A C Eb)
> three steps of bIIIrds.
>
> Anyway I have put the files at:
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2s.pdf
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2sBone.mp3
>
> for those who, like me, who are curious.
>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@...
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>

Hi Charles,

HI Tunatiks
>
> As an exercise in futility, I have used the midi file provided by
> Marcel, and LucyTuned it to 3b2s i.e CC#DEbEFF#GAbABbB.
>
> This gives us a rather strange chord of CEbF#A in bar 20, yet it
> actually sounds right.
>
> I suppose you could consider it to be F# diminished 7. (F# A C Eb)
> three steps of bIIIrds.
>
> Anyway I have put the files at:
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2s.pdf
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2sBone.mp3
>
> for those who, like me, who are curious.
>

Great, thanks for the rendering.
It surprises me it does it this well. As this piece is exceptionally good at
making alternative tunings sound bad.

Could you perhaps render my DeVelde-JI version with thesame sound for
comparison?
That would be really great.
Can't render myself yet with any good sounds and a fair comparison would
only come from thesame sound.

You can find the what looks like final version of my tuning at
www.develde.net called release candidate 1, uploaded it a few minutes ago.
I have it in scala sequence file and as pitch bend midi and as midi tuning
standard midi.

Marcel
www.develde.net

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I concur. I still prefer quarter-comma or 31 equal for their better handling of 7-limit (and 11), but I'm biased towards 7/4 as the "ideal" augmented sixth.

Though I would like to hear a 26 equal version...

~D. ¶¦¬{> http://www.imeem.com/dawier

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, cameron <misterbobro@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: cameron <misterbobro@...>
> Subject: [MMM] Re: The impossible has been done! Beethoven in Just Intonation. & Meantone
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 2:18 AM
> Not surprisingly, Beethoven sounds
> great in a heavy Meantone. This piece would also sound
> excellent, albeit more "music of the spheres" unusual, in a
> turbo "meantone" like 26 equal, a highly underrated tuning.
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com,
> Charles Lucy <makemicro@...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tunatiks
> >
> > As an exercise in futility, I have used the midi file
> provided by 
> > Marcel, and LucyTuned it to 3b2s i.e
> CC#DEbEFF#GAbABbB.
> >
> > This gives us a rather strange chord of CEbF#A in bar
> 20, yet it 
> > actually sounds right.
> >
> > I suppose you could consider it to be F# diminished 7.
> (F# A C Eb) 
> > three steps of bIIIrds.
> >
> > Anyway I have put the files at:
> >
> > http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2s.pdf
> >
> > http://www.lucytune.com/BeethovenJIClaims/BeethovenWo03LT3b2sBone.mp3
> >
> > for those who, like me, who are curious.
> >
> >
> > Charles Lucy
> > lucy@...