Re: [MMM] Easy ways to build/"sneak" microtonalism into common music: follow up to "the kiss of death"

Mike B>"C D E | F G A | Bb C D | Eb F G | Ab Bb C"
Interesting so...
1) How did you derive this scale?
2) What's the period in it?

-Michael

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] Easy ways to build/"sneak" microtonalism into common music: follow up to "the kiss of death"
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 11:52 AM

> Now we ask the question...what if we could make more complex chords A) that

> go beyond 5-limit type scales and are still able to be played on today's

> instruments. ..or B) even leave the chromatic system behind entirely?

>

>     To answer a possible solution for B)...recently I derived a scale that

> fits fairly closely into chromatic 12TET which is derived from the formula

> (1/octave)^x + 1 and features the tones:

>

> ---C4 D4 E4 F#4 G4 (g is the period) A4 B4 C#5 D5 (d = period) E5 F#5 G#5 A5

> (a = period) B5 C#6 D#6 E6 (e = period) F#6 G#6 A#6 B6 (b = period) C#7 D#7

> F7 F#7 (f# = period) G#7 A#7 C8 C#8 (c# = period)---

>

>    It turns out Daniel Forro on the tuning list had derived the scale about

> 20 years ago.  And any musician can play it on any 12TET-capable instrument

> while preserving a majority of the micro-tonal feel and increase in degrees

> of tonal color and number of chords possible.

I made a post about this very same scale last year. Kind of a

pan-modal scale, if you will. I do like the way it sounds quite a bit.

Another one for you:

C D E | F G A | Bb C D | Eb F G | Ab Bb C

Kind of the utonal complement of the other one, in a way.

-Mike

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Isn't this just an octave of mixolydian with an octave of minor on top?

I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.

Its just chromatism with the same 12 EDO pitch set to me.

Chris

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Michael Sheiman
<djtrancendance@...>wrote:

>
>
> Mike B>"C D E | F G A | Bb C D | Eb F G | Ab Bb C"
> Interesting so...
> 1) How did you derive this scale?
> 2) What's the period in it?
>
> -Michael
>
> --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...<battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@... <battaglia01%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Easy ways to build/"sneak" microtonalism into common
> music: follow up to "the kiss of death"
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 11:52 AM
>
> > Now we ask the question...what if we could make more complex chords A)
> that
>
> > go beyond 5-limit type scales and are still able to be played on today's
>
> > instruments. ..or B) even leave the chromatic system behind entirely?
>
> >
>
> > To answer a possible solution for B)...recently I derived a scale
> that
>
> > fits fairly closely into chromatic 12TET which is derived from the
> formula
>
> > (1/octave)^x + 1 and features the tones:
>
> >
>
> > ---C4 D4 E4 F#4 G4 (g is the period) A4 B4 C#5 D5 (d = period) E5 F#5 G#5
> A5
>
> > (a = period) B5 C#6 D#6 E6 (e = period) F#6 G#6 A#6 B6 (b = period) C#7
> D#7
>
> > F7 F#7 (f# = period) G#7 A#7 C8 C#8 (c# = period)---
>
> >
>
> > It turns out Daniel Forro on the tuning list had derived the scale
> about
>
> > 20 years ago. And any musician can play it on any 12TET-capable
> instrument
>
> > while preserving a majority of the micro-tonal feel and increase in
> degrees
>
> > of tonal color and number of chords possible.
>
> I made a post about this very same scale last year. Kind of a
>
> pan-modal scale, if you will. I do like the way it sounds quite a bit.
>
> Another one for you:
>
> C D E | F G A | Bb C D | Eb F G | Ab Bb C
>
> Kind of the utonal complement of the other one, in a way.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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> Isn't this just an octave of mixolydian with an octave of minor on top?

It keeps repeating. The period is a fourth.

> I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.

It isn't microtonal. Read the original post.

-Mike

Mike wrote:

>> I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.
>
>It isn't microtonal. Read the original post.

And which post is that? I didn't see it quoted and, like
Chris I suspect, I'm totally lost.

-Carl

please look at the thread title.

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> >> I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.
> >
> >It isn't microtonal. Read the original post.
>
> And which post is that? I didn't see it quoted and, like
> Chris I suspect, I'm totally lost.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>

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Does that mean you've figured it out? Because I'm still
lost. The original seems to be

/makemicromusic/topicId_20681.html#20681

which is McLaren's rant.

I had the same question as you -- why is a 12-ET scale in
a thread about sneaking microtonalism into common music?

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> please look at the thread title.
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mike wrote:
> >
> > >> I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.
> > >
> > >It isn't microtonal. Read the original post.
> >
> > And which post is that? I didn't see it quoted and, like
> > Chris I suspect, I'm totally lost.
> >
> > -Carl

The title is:

[MMM] Easy ways to build/"sneak" microtonalism into common music: follow up
to "the kiss of death"

thus my confusion - Mike??

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

>
>
> Does that mean you've figured it out? Because I'm still
> lost. The original seems to be
>
> /makemicromusic/topicId_20681.html#20681
>
> which is McLaren's rant.
>
> I had the same question as you -- why is a 12-ET scale in
> a thread about sneaking microtonalism into common music?
>
> -Carl
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > please look at the thread title.
> >
> > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I don't understand how this could be called microtonal.
> > > >
> > > >It isn't microtonal. Read the original post.
> > >
> > > And which post is that? I didn't see it quoted and, like
> > > Chris I suspect, I'm totally lost.
> > >
> > > -Carl
>
>
>

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On 5/22/09, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> The title is:
>
> [MMM] Easy ways to build/"sneak" microtonalism into common music: follow up
> to "the kiss of death"
>
> thus my confusion - Mike??

Sorry about that. I was replying to Mike Sheiman's post here:
/makemicromusic/topicId_20718.html#20718

He was referring to a scale with a period of a fifth - C D E- F#- G |
G A B- C#- D | D E F#- G#- A | and so on. It's a sort of "panmodal"
5-limit scale. He was also talking about how it would map well in
12-tet but still give some kind of "microtonal" feel to it. I disagree
with that, but I thought he might find interesting another scale in
the same vein - this time with a period of a fourth. I was responding
to his post in isolation and I'm not sure if it's drifted off from the
original post's topic.

-Mike