Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic 1 over phi ver 2 fixed piece

Chris,

The main chords sound dead-on (great)...the electric guitar solos (IE at 2:16) have a very strong and good general vibe to my ears (almost a bit Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins-esque) when they are resting on tones and not bending.

However
A) The bends in such solos admittedly make it very tricky to listen to as they seem to push some of the overtones just past the edge of where consonance turns into dissonance. This especially shows around 24 to 27 seconds, for example.
B) The extremely high notes show the problem I noted to you several times before...IE that using 1.625 IE 13/8 instead of 1.618 improved sounds unless you move too many phi-taves from the middle C. Don't know if you were doing that on purpose, but it proves that point.

There's really not much I believe I can do about A (it's an indirect effect of not using the harmonic series as a primary base for the scale and trying to fit so many notes into a phi-tave).
However, the latter problem IE B) shows a strong possible point of improvement IE using something other than the PHI-tave alone to define the scale. Most likely version 3 of the scale will actually use both the octave and PHI-tave to define the scale...which should indirectly solve this issue by "reseting" the alignment of the scale every 2/1 octave.

It's food for thought....thank for making this and hopefully I can improve my scale to make your next round of composition a bit easier.

-Michael

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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Mike I was just trying to make something that sounded cool.

To me a solo is certainly free to use dissonance especially in this type of
music and I don't hear anything that is particularly off. Lets see how this
does on TiS as a stealth microtonal release as I don't think it is obviously
microtonal to the ear thanks to the phi-tave. Microtonal music is received
with much more open ears on modplug.

Ready for the next round. :-)

Chris

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Michael Sheiman <djtrancendance@...>wrote:

>
>
> Chris,
>
> The main chords sound dead-on (great)...the electric guitar solos (IE
> at 2:16) have a very strong and good general vibe to my ears (almost a bit
> Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins-esque) when they are resting on tones and not
> bending.
>
> However
> A) The bends in such solos admittedly make it very tricky to listen to as
> they seem to push some of the overtones just past the edge of where
> consonance turns into dissonance. This especially shows around 24 to 27
> seconds, for example.
> B) The extremely high notes show the problem I noted to you several times
> before...IE that using 1.625 IE 13/8 instead of 1.618 improved sounds unless
> you move too many phi-taves from the middle C. Don't know if you were doing
> that on purpose, but it proves that point.
>
>
> There's really not much I believe I can do about A (it's an indirect
> effect of not using the harmonic series as a primary base for the scale and
> trying to fit so many notes into a phi-tave).
> However, the latter problem IE B) shows a strong possible point of
> improvement IE using something other than the PHI-tave alone to define the
> scale. Most likely version 3 of the scale will actually use both the octave
> and PHI-tave to define the scale...which should indirectly solve this issue
> by "reseting" the alignment of the scale every 2/1 octave.
>
> It's food for thought....thank for making this and hopefully I can
> improve my scale to make your next round of composition a bit easier.
>
> -Michael
>
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>
>
>

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🔗Michael Sheiman <djtrancendance@...>

Chris> "Mike I was just trying to make something that sounded cool."
And...in general, it does. :-) It's just that...I'm always trying to watch out for things that could make the public jump and "aha! something is too dissonant to be well made..."...just as I try to with my own "public microtonal" releases. I'm just trying my best to help out...no offense intended.

Chris> "Lets see how this does on TiS as a stealth microtonal release"
Hopefully well. :-) I'm all for the "stealth micro-tonal" technique to avoid prejudice against micro-tonal releases vs. 12TET ones...so far I have 2 songs up that are "stealth microtonal" that somehow (as a fluke) managed 5-star ratings (muahahaha). :-D

-Michael

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 1 over phi ver 2 fixed piece
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:05 PM

Mike I was just trying to make something that sounded cool.

To me a solo is certainly free to use dissonance especially in this type of

music and I don't hear anything that is particularly off. Lets see how this

does on TiS as a stealth microtonal release as I don't think it is obviously

microtonal to the ear thanks to the phi-tave. Microtonal music is received

with much more open ears on modplug.

Ready for the next round. :-)

Chris

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Michael Sheiman <djtrancendance@ yahoo.com>wrote:

> Chris,

> The main chords sound dead-on (great)...the electric guitar solos (IE

> at 2:16) have a very strong and good general vibe to my ears (almost a bit

> Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins-esque) when they are resting on tones and not

> bending.

> However

> A) The bends in such solos admittedly make it very tricky to listen to as

> they seem to push some of the overtones just past the edge of where

> consonance turns into dissonance. This especially shows around 24 to 27

> seconds, for example.

> B) The extremely high notes show the problem I noted to you several times

> before...IE that using 1.625 IE 13/8 instead of 1.618 improved sounds unless

> you move too many phi-taves from the middle C. Don't know if you were doing

> that on purpose, but it proves that point.

> There's really not much I believe I can do about A (it's an indirect

> effect of not using the harmonic series as a primary base for the scale and

> trying to fit so many notes into a phi-tave).

> However, the latter problem IE B) shows a strong possible point of

> improvement IE using something other than the PHI-tave alone to define the

> scale. Most likely version 3 of the scale will actually use both the octave

> and PHI-tave to define the scale...which should indirectly solve this issue

> by "reseting" the alignment of the scale every 2/1 octave.

> It's food for thought....thank for making this and hopefully I can

> improve my scale to make your next round of composition a bit easier.

> -Michael

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🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Michael Sheiman <djtrancendance@...>

Carl, I was talking about Chris' piece below:

http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/1overphi2/overphi2fixed.mp3

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

From: Carl Lumma <carl@...>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 1 over phi ver 2 fixed piece
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:11 PM

At 01:14 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

>Chris,

> The main chords sound dead-on (great)...the electric guitar solos

>(IE at 2:16) have a very strong and good general vibe to my ears

>(almost a bit Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins-esque) when they are

>resting on tones and not bending.

Which piece are we talking about (link)? The piece I thought you

were talking about doesn't have electric guitar solos.

-Carl

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🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗chrisvaisvil@...

However it does not have guitar. It is two instances of rapture (bass + pad) (lead) played on a korg ms2000 keyboard. Lead has vst effect: amp simulation and reverb.

Guitar and synth have been morfing towards each other for years.

Chris

Ps thanks for the listen and thumbs up.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 09:58:04
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MMM] 1 over phi ver 2 fixed piece

Thanks, I somehow missed that. I dig it, too!

-Carl

At 04:05 AM 5/4/2009, you wrote:
>Carl, I was talking about Chris' piece below:
>
>http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/1overphi2/overphi2fixed.mp3
>

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