More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory

at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
http://anaphoria.com/journal.html

More on Horogram Rhythms
http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
--

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
rhythms before... -Carl

At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
>at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
>http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
>
>More on Horogram Rhythms
>http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
>--
>

Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and greater over-all flexibility.
actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars layer might. more often the 108 would be subdivided
and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or retrograded.

It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.

I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to determine return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is relatively free.
Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play with this more.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> rhythms before... -Carl
>
> At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> >
> >More on Horogram Rhythms
> >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> >--
> >
>
>

Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you talking about a method of organizing and rationalizing polyrythmic music? Or am I really lost here?

Thks
Chris
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of Anaphorian
Music Theory

Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and
greater over-all flexibility.
actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars
layer might.
more often the 108 would be subdivided
and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or retrograded.

It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more
lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.

I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to determine
return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is
relatively free.
Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play
with this more.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> rhythms before... -Carl
>
> At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> >
> >More on Horogram Rhythms
> >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> >--
> >
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

you probably need to look at the first article
or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the top of the article

David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms in general
http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

chrisvaisvil@... wrote:
>
> Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you talking about a > method of organizing and rationalizing polyrythmic music? Or am I > really lost here?
>
> Thks
> Chris
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>
>
> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of > Anaphorian
> Music Theory
>
>
> Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
> The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and
> greater over-all flexibility.
> actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars
> layer might.
> more often the 108 would be subdivided
> and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or retrograded.
>
> It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more
> lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.
>
> I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to determine
> return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is
> relatively free.
> Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
> Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play
> with this more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
>
>
>
> Carl Lumma wrote:
> >
> > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> > have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> > rhythms before... -Carl
> >
> > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > >
> > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > >--
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

you probably need to look at the first article
or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the top of the article

David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms in general
http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm

if those don't help let me know.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

chrisvaisvil@... wrote:
>
> Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you talking about a > method of organizing and rationalizing polyrythmic music? Or am I > really lost here?
>
> Thks
> Chris
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>
>
> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of > Anaphorian
> Music Theory
>
>
> Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
> The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and
> greater over-all flexibility.
> actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars
> layer might.
> more often the 108 would be subdivided
> and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or retrograded.
>
> It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more
> lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.
>
> I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to determine
> return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is
> relatively free.
> Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
> Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play
> with this more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
>
>
>
> Carl Lumma wrote:
> >
> > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> > have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> > rhythms before... -Carl
> >
> > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > >
> > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > >--
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!

I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales

every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds natural and consonant.

Are there scala files for these????

I want to try these

And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you. Wonderful
evocative music.

man alive...... this is awesome.

Chris

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>wrote:

> you probably need to look at the first article
> or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the top of the article
>
> David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms in general
> http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
>
> if those don't help let me know.
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> chrisvaisvil@... <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you talking about a
> > method of organizing and rationalizing polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > really lost here?
> >
> > Thks
> > Chris
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> >
> > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > Anaphorian
> > Music Theory
> >
> >
> > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
> > The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and
> > greater over-all flexibility.
> > actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars
> > layer might.
> > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or retrograded.
> >
> > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more
> > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.
> >
> > I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to determine
> > return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is
> > relatively free.
> > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
> > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play
> > with this more.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/
> > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> > > have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > >
> > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > >
> > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > >--
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully consonant in addition.
Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
-------------------------------------

What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward making the lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the golden ratio?

For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is divides a line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.

-Michael

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
> Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of AnaphorianMusic Theory
> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
>
> I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
>
> every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> natural and consonant.
>
> Are there scala files for these????
>
> I want to try these
>
> And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> Wonderful
> evocative music.
>
> man alive...... this is awesome.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> <kraiggrady@...>wrote:
>
> > you probably need to look at the first article
> > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> top of the article
> >
> > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> in general
> >
> http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >
> > if those don't help let me know.
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> <http://anaphoria.com/>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> >
> >
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > chrisvaisvil@...
> <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> talking about a
> > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > really lost here?
> > >
> > > Thks
> > > Chris
> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...
> <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com
> <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> to Journal of
> > > Anaphorian
> > > Music Theory
> > >
> > >
> > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> bi-level patterns.
> > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> than two durations and
> > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> though a particulars
> > > layer might.
> > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> diminished or retrograded.
> > >
> > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> overlaps two or more
> > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> monophonic counterpoint.
> > >
> > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> patterns is used to determine
> > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> these sections is
> > > relatively free.
> > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> old.
> > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> ideas before i play
> > > with this more.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_
> ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> <http://anaphoria.com/
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_
> ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > >
> > >
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> only piece you
> > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> were using horogram
> > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > >
> > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> Theory
> > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > >
> > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The Gendhing Canright piece is mime, i don't know of any other one linked to.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Chris Vaisvil wrote:
>
> ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
>
> I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
>
> every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds natural and > consonant.
>
> Are there scala files for these????
>
> I want to try these
>
> And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you. Wonderful
> evocative music.
>
> man alive...... this is awesome.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>wrote:
>
> > you probably need to look at the first article
> > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the top of the article
> >
> > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms in general
> > > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> >
> > if those don't help let me know.
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > chrisvaisvil@... <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you talking about a
> > > method of organizing and rationalizing polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > really lost here?
> > >
> > > Thks
> > > Chris
> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com> > <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > > Anaphorian
> > > Music Theory
> > >
> > >
> > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with bi-level patterns.
> > > The advantage is in having patterns with more than two durations and
> > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even though a particulars
> > > layer might.
> > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or diminished or > retrograded.
> > >
> > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing overlaps two or more
> > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of monophonic counterpoint.
> > >
> > > I am working on a piece where one of these patterns is used to > determine
> > > return of themes/textures but the durations of these sections is
> > > relatively free.
> > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an old.
> > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new ideas before i play
> > > with this more.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the only piece you
> > > > have done with this method? I thought you were using horogram
> > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > >
> > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music Theory
> > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Thanks!
The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp on to and pretty cohesive.
they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material possible.

As far as infinite Horograms
there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly with your "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
but maybe i am missing something here

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Michael Sheiman wrote:
>
> This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully > consonant in addition.
> Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> -------------------------------------
>
> What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward making the > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the golden > ratio?
>
> For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is divides a > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
>
> -Michael
>
> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> >
> > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > natural and consonant.
> >
> > Are there scala files for these????
> >
> > I want to try these
> >
> > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > Wonderful
> > evocative music.
> >
> > man alive...... this is awesome.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > <kraiggrady@... <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > top of the article
> > >
> > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > in general
> > >
> > > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > >
> > > if those don't help let me know.
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > >
> > >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > > chrisvaisvil@... <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > talking about a
> > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > really lost here?
> > > >
> > > > Thks
> > > > Chris
> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com
> > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > >>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > to Journal of
> > > > Anaphorian
> > > > Music Theory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > bi-level patterns.
> > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > than two durations and
> > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > though a particulars
> > > > layer might.
> > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > diminished or retrograded.
> > > >
> > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > overlaps two or more
> > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > >
> > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > patterns is used to determine
> > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > these sections is
> > > > relatively free.
> > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > old.
> > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > ideas before i play
> > > > with this more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > ^_,',',',_
> > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > _'''''''_
> > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > _'''''''_
> > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > only piece you
> > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > were using horogram
> > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > >
> > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > Theory
> > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > >--
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> Thanks!
> The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp on to
> and pretty cohesive.
> they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material > possible.
>
> As far as infinite Horograms
> there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly with your
> "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> but maybe i am missing something here
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> Michael Sheiman wrote:
> >
> > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of
> > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully
> > consonant in addition.
> > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you
> > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in
> > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward making the
> > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the golden
> > ratio?
> >
> > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is divides a
> > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond
> > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> >
> > -Michael
> >
> > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > >
> > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > natural and consonant.
> > >
> > > Are there scala files for these????
> > >
> > > I want to try these
> > >
> > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > Wonderful
> > > evocative music.
> > >
> > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > <kraiggrady@... <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>wrote:
> > >
> > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > top of the article
> > > >
> > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > in general
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>>
> > > >
> > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > >
> > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > Hemisphere:
> > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > Hemisphere:
> > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > >
> > > > chrisvaisvil@... <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > talking about a
> > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > really lost here?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thks
> > > > > Chris
> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com
> > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > to Journal of
> > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > Music Theory
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > than two durations and
> > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > though a particulars
> > > > > layer might.
> > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > these sections is
> > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > old.
> > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > ideas before i play
> > > > > with this more.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > _'''''''_
> > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > _'''''''_
> > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > only piece you
> > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > were using horogram
> > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > Theory
> > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>>
> > > > > > >--
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>

yes - are there scala files for any of these scales?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>wrote:

> I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!
>
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> Kraig Grady wrote:
> >
> > Thanks!
> > The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp on to
> > and pretty cohesive.
> > they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> > One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material
> > possible.
> >
> > As far as infinite Horograms
> > there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly with your
> > "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> > but maybe i am missing something here
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/
> > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > Michael Sheiman wrote:
> > >
> > > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of
> > > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully
> > > consonant in addition.
> > > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you
> > > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in
> > > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > > -------------------------------------
> > >
> > > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward making the
> > > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the golden
> > > ratio?
> > >
> > > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is divides a
> > > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond
> > > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> > >
> > > -Michael
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > > >
> > > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > > natural and consonant.
> > > >
> > > > Are there scala files for these????
> > > >
> > > > I want to try these
> > > >
> > > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > > Wonderful
> > > > evocative music.
> > > >
> > > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > > <kraiggrady@... <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> >>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > > top of the article
> > > > >
> > > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > > in general
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >>
> > > > >
> > > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > >
> > > > > chrisvaisvil@... <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > > talking about a
> > > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > > really lost here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thks
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...<kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com<kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > > to Journal of
> > > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > > Music Theory
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > > than two durations and
> > > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > > though a particulars
> > > > > > layer might.
> > > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > > these sections is
> > > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > > old.
> > > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > > ideas before i play
> > > > > > with this more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > > only piece you
> > > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > > were using horogram
> > > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > > Theory
> > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> >>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> >>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>>
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not that i know of.
but there are so many if one went through all 64 horograms with files for each layer would be quite a bit

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

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Chris Vaisvil wrote:
>
> yes - are there scala files for any of these scales?
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>wrote:
>
> > I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!
> >
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > Kraig Grady wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp on to
> > > and pretty cohesive.
> > > they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> > > One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > As far as infinite Horograms
> > > there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly with your
> > > "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> > > but maybe i am missing something here
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > > Michael Sheiman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of
> > > > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully
> > > > consonant in addition.
> > > > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you
> > > > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > > > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in
> > > > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > > > -------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward > making the
> > > > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the > golden
> > > > ratio?
> > > >
> > > > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is > divides a
> > > > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond
> > > > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> > > >
> > > > -Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > > > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > > > >
> > > > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > > > natural and consonant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there scala files for these????
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to try these
> > > > >
> > > > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > > > Wonderful
> > > > > evocative music.
> > > > >
> > > > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > > > <kraiggrady@... <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > > > top of the article
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > > > in general
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>>
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > >
> > > > > > chrisvaisvil@... <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> > chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > > > talking about a
> > > > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > > > really lost here?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thks
> > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com<kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > > > to Journal of
> > > > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > > > Music Theory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > > > than two durations and
> > > > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > > > though a particulars
> > > > > > > layer might.
> > > > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > > > these sections is
> > > > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > > > old.
> > > > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > > > ideas before i play
> > > > > > > with this more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > > > only piece you
> > > > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > > > were using horogram
> > > > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > > > Theory
> > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > >>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > >>>
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> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>>>
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I'd like these two scales - if anyone has them.

03 - 9
09 - 6

I think

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>wrote:

> not that i know of.
> but there are so many if one went through all 64 horograms with files
> for each layer would be quite a bit
>
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> >
> > yes - are there scala files for any of these scales?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...<kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> >>wrote:
> >
> > > I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!
> > >
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/
> > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > > Kraig Grady wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp on to
> > > > and pretty cohesive.
> > > > they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> > > > One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > As far as infinite Horograms
> > > > there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly with your
> > > > "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> > > > but maybe i am missing something here
> > > >
> > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/
> > <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ <
> http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > >
> > > > Michael Sheiman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of
> > > > > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and beautifully
> > > > > consonant in addition.
> > > > > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way where you
> > > > > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > > > > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly rare in
> > > > > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward
> > making the
> > > > > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the
> > golden
> > > > > ratio?
> > > > >
> > > > > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is
> > divides a
> > > > > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but beyond
> > > > > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>>>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to Journal of
> > > > > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > > > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> ><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
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> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > > > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > > > > >
> > > > > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > > > > natural and consonant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are there scala files for these????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to try these
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > > > > Wonderful
> > > > > > evocative music.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > > > > <kraiggrady@... <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> 2540anaphoria.com>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > > > > top of the article
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > > > > in general
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > chrisvaisvil@... <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> > > chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>>
>
> > > > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > > > > talking about a
> > > > > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > > > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > > > > really lost here?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thks
> > > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...<kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> ><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> 2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> 2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > > > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> ><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > > > > to Journal of
> > > > > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > > > > Music Theory
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > > > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > > > > than two durations and
> > > > > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > > > > though a particulars
> > > > > > > > layer might.
> > > > > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > > > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > > > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > > > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > > > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > > > > these sections is
> > > > > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > > > > old.
> > > > > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > > > > ideas before i play
> > > > > > > > with this more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > > > > only piece you
> > > > > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > > > > were using horogram
> > > > > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > > > > Theory
> > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html> <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > >>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
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> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
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> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>>
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
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> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
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I think you go to his menu page
http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagrammenu.htm
and then click on the horogram being the same as the ring number then look at the layer for example the second one
http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram09.htm
http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram03.htm

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

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Chris Vaisvil wrote:
>
> I'd like these two scales - if anyone has them.
>
> 03 - 9
> 09 - 6
>
> I think
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>>wrote:
>
> > not that i know of.
> > but there are so many if one went through all 64 horograms with files
> > for each layer would be quite a bit
> >
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> >
> > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> >
> > Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> > >
> > > yes - are there scala files for any of these scales?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kraig Grady > <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > >
> > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > >
> > > > Kraig Grady wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp > on to
> > > > > and pretty cohesive.
> > > > > they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> > > > > One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material
> > > > > possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as infinite Horograms
> > > > > there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly > with your
> > > > > "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> > > > > but maybe i am missing something here
> > > > >
> > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/> <
> > http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Sheiman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind of
> > > > > > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and > beautifully
> > > > > > consonant in addition.
> > > > > > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way > where you
> > > > > > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > > > > > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly > rare in
> > > > > > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward
> > > making the
> > > > > > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the
> > > golden
> > > > > > ratio?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is
> > > divides a
> > > > > > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but > beyond
> > > > > > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > 2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > 2540gmail.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@... > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > 2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > 2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to > Journal of
> > > > > > AnaphorianMusic Theory
> > > > > > > To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > ><MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > <MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > > > > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > > > > > natural and consonant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there scala files for these????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to try these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > > > > > Wonderful
> > > > > > > evocative music.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > > > > > <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > > > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> > 2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > >>wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > > > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > > > > > top of the article
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > > > > > in general
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>>
> > > > >
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>>
> > > > >
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>>
> > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > chrisvaisvil@... <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
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> > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> > > > chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > 2540gmail.com>>
> >
> > > > > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > > > > > talking about a
> > > > > > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > > > > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > > > > > really lost here?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thks
> > > > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@... > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
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> > 2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> > 2540anaphoria.com>>
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> > > > > > > > >
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> > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
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> > > > >
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> > <MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <MakeMicroMusic%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > > > > > to Journal of
> > > > > > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > > > > > Music Theory
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > > > > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > > > > > than two durations and
> > > > > > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > > > > > though a particulars
> > > > > > > > > layer might.
> > > > > > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > > > > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > > > > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > > > > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > > > > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > > > > > these sections is
> > > > > > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > > > > > old.
> > > > > > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > > > > > ideas before i play
> > > > > > > > > with this more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > > > > > only piece you
> > > > > > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > > > > > were using horogram
> > > > > > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > > > > > Theory
> > > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
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> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
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Chris wrote:
>I'd like these two scales - if anyone has them.
>
>03 - 9
>09 - 6
>
>I think

They're right on the pages.

http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram09.htm

"Ring 6" is 09-6 I think:
0 181 363 544 725 907

03-9:
0 99 260 359 520 619 780 879 1039

-Carl

Ok, let me give scala a shot - I should be able to put in the cents per
interval and generate the cale file I'm guessing.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>wrote:

> I think you go to his menu page
> http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagrammenu.htm
> and then click on the horogram being the same as the ring number then
> look at the layer for example the second one
> http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram09.htm
> http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram03.htm
>
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> >
> > I'd like these two scales - if anyone has them.
> >
> > 03 - 9
> > 09 - 6
> >
> > I think
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...<kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> >>wrote:
> >
> > > not that i know of.
> > > but there are so many if one went through all 64 horograms with files
> > > for each layer would be quite a bit
> > >
> > >
> > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/
> > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > >
> > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > >
> > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > >
> > > Chris Vaisvil wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yes - are there scala files for any of these scales?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kraig Grady
> > <kraiggrady@... <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> ><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> 2540anaphoria.com>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I got lost. you were talking about finnamores samples!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > >
> > > > > Kraig Grady wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > The "logic" of these scales seems to be something we can grasp
> > on to
> > > > > > and pretty cohesive.
> > > > > > they have always worked for me to the point i am spoiled by them.
> > > > > > One could apply this to ET scales though as the workable material
> > > > > > possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as infinite Horograms
> > > > > > there will never be a point where it will coincide exactly
> > with your
> > > > > > "octave". But this is true also of any just ratio.
> > > > > > but maybe i am missing something here
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/> <
> > > http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Sheiman wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is all very good. These scales all seem to follow a kind
> of
> > > > > > > hazy/vague mood...but they are all quite "in mood" and
> > beautifully
> > > > > > > consonant in addition.
> > > > > > > Even the 9-note scales sound "stressed" but also in a way
> > where you
> > > > > > > can predict how stressed the next note will be thus giving it a
> > > > > > > consonant-like sense of predictability I have found fairly
> > rare in
> > > > > > > many types of micro-tonal scales including ET scales.
> > > > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I don't get is, if the horogram keeps circling outward
> > > > making the
> > > > > > > lines shorter...how do you get an "infinite" horogram using the
> > > > golden
> > > > > > > ratio?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the record, I (at least) understand the golden ratio is
> > > > divides a
> > > > > > > line so one side is always twice as large as the other...but
> > beyond
> > > > > > > that the use of the ratio for these scale escapes me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> 2540gmail.com>
> > > ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > > 2540gmail.com>>
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> > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > > 2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...<chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
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> 2540gmail.com>
> > > ><chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > > 2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > > 2540gmail.com>>>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added to
> > Journal of
> > > > > > > AnaphorianMusic Theory
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:10 PM
> > > > > > > > ok, ok... this is great GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't hardly understand the text - but the scales
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > every one so far is musical, exotic, but still sounds
> > > > > > > > natural and consonant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are there scala files for these????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I want to try these
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And to whomever wrote the examples - my hat is off to you.
> > > > > > > > Wonderful
> > > > > > > > evocative music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > man alive...... this is awesome.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kraig Grady
> > > > > > > > <kraiggrady@... <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > <kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com> <mailto:
> > > > > kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>
> > > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com<kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com><kraiggrady%
> > > 2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > > >>wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you probably need to look at the first article
> > > > > > > > > or at the horograms themselves. see the links at the
> > > > > > > > top of the article
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > David Finnamore wrote a good introduction to horograms
> > > > > > > > in general
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm>
> > > >
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> > <http://www.elvenminstrel.com/music/tuning/horagrams/horagram_intro.htm
> >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if those don't help let me know.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^North/Western
> > > > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern
> > > > > > > > Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > chrisvaisvil@... <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> > > chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> > > > > chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>>
> > > > > > <mailto:chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com>
> > <chrisvaisvil%2540gmail.com><chrisvaisvil%
> > > 2540gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > > > > > > <chrisvaisvil%40gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kraig - my mind is trying to grasp this - are you
> > > > > > > > talking about a
> > > > > > > > > > method of organizing and rationalizing
> > > > > > > > polyrythmic music? Or am I
> > > > > > > > > > really lost here?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thks
> > > > > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...<kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
> > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> ><kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com>
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> > > > > > <mailto:kraiggrady%40anaphoria.com<kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
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> > > 2540anaphoria.com>>
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> 2540anaphoria.com>
> > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>
> > > > > > > > <kraiggrady%2540anaphoria.com>>>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:08
> > > > > > > > > > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com<MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MMM] More on Horogram Rhythms/added
> > > > > > > > to Journal of
> > > > > > > > > > Anaphorian
> > > > > > > > > > Music Theory
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gendhing Canright is the first piece with
> > > > > > > > bi-level patterns.
> > > > > > > > > > The advantage is in having patterns with more
> > > > > > > > than two durations and
> > > > > > > > > > greater over-all flexibility.
> > > > > > > > > > actually no bars repeat but the first one even
> > > > > > > > though a particulars
> > > > > > > > > > layer might.
> > > > > > > > > > more often the 108 would be subdivided
> > > > > > > > > > and an overall pattern would be augmented or
> > > > > > > > diminished or retrograded.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is a funny kind of counterpoint. Since nothing
> > > > > > > > overlaps two or more
> > > > > > > > > > lines will merge into a single one. Kind of
> > > > > > > > monophonic counterpoint.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am working on a piece where one of these
> > > > > > > > patterns is used to determine
> > > > > > > > > > return of themes/textures but the durations of
> > > > > > > > these sections is
> > > > > > > > > > relatively free.
> > > > > > > > > > Kind of building a new piece on the ruins of an
> > > > > > > > old.
> > > > > > > > > > Outside of that, i will wait to have enough new
> > > > > > > > ideas before i play
> > > > > > > > > > with this more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_
> > > > > > > > ^_,',',',_
> > > > > > > > > > Mesotonal Music from:
> > > > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > > > ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>>>>
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> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/ <http://anaphoria.com/>
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > _'''''''_
> > > > > > > > ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > > > > > > > > > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
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> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>>
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> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>>
> > > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/
> > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carl Lumma wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, Kraig. Is Gending Canright the
> > > > > > > > only piece you
> > > > > > > > > > > have done with this method? I thought you
> > > > > > > > were using horogram
> > > > > > > > > > > rhythms before... -Carl
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At 05:28 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >at The Journal of Anaphorian Music
> > > > > > > > Theory
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
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> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html
> > <http://anaphoria.com/journal.html>>
> > > > > >>
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> > > > > >>>
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> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >More on Horogram Rhythms
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>>
> > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
> > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
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> > > > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
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> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>>
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> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf> <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
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> > > > > > > > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf
> > <http://anaphoria.com/Horo2.pdf>
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