Speaking of Scala

Hello —

I just tried to install Scala on a WindowsXP machine. The installation seems to be fine except that it doesn't display any text characters, only empy rectangles. Has anyone seen this behavior, or, better yet, have a suggestion for the solution?

Daniel Wolf

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Wolf" <djwolf@...> wrote:
>
> Hello â€"
>
> I just tried to install Scala on a WindowsXP machine. The
> installation seems to be fine except that it doesn't display
> any text characters, only empy rectangles. Has anyone seen
> this behavior, or, better yet, have a suggestion for the
> solution?
>
> Daniel Wolf

Funny thing -- there are also some weird characters in your
message (quoted above). Probably you have some character
encodings on your machine that are to blame in both instances.
Manual may be able to help. If you don't get a reply from
him here in a couple days, I'd e-mail him directly.

-Carl

Looks like a dash to me.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Wolf" <djwolf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello â€"
>
>>
>> I just tried to install Scala on a WindowsXP machine. The
>> installation seems to be fine except that it doesn't display
>> any text characters, only empy rectangles. Has anyone seen
>> this behavior, or, better yet, have a suggestion for the
>> solution?
>>
>> Daniel Wolf
>
> Funny thing -- there are also some weird characters in your
> message (quoted above). Probably you have some character
> encodings on your machine that are to blame in both instances.
> Manual may be able to help. If you don't get a reply from
> him here in a couple days, I'd e-mail him directly.
>
> -Carl
>
>

It looks like a fetus on the website, like a dash in
my e-mail client, and like a fetus in my e-mail client
in your quote (below). I also believe Daniel uses
multi-lingual entry in Windows, which may be part of it.

-Carl

At 06:27 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>Looks like a dash to me.
>
>On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Wolf" <djwolf@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello â€"
>>
>>>
>>> I just tried to install Scala on a WindowsXP machine. The
>>> installation seems to be fine except that it doesn't display
>>> any text characters, only empy rectangles. Has anyone seen
>>> this behavior, or, better yet, have a suggestion for the
>>> solution?
>>>
>>> Daniel Wolf
>>
>> Funny thing -- there are also some weird characters in your
>> message (quoted above). Probably you have some character
>> encodings on your machine that are to blame in both instances.
>> Manual may be able to help. If you don't get a reply from
>> him here in a couple days, I'd e-mail him directly.
>>
>> -Carl
>>

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 18:44 -0700, Carl Lumma wrote:
> It looks like a fetus on the website, like a dash in
> my e-mail client, and like a fetus in my e-mail client
> in your quote (below). I also believe Daniel uses
> multi-lingual entry in Windows, which may be part of it.

It's a UTF-8 encoded dash. That doesn't indicate he's using a weird
native encoding without the ASCII subset.

Graham

>> It looks like a fetus on the website, like a dash in
>> my e-mail client, and like a fetus in my e-mail client
>> in your quote (below). I also believe Daniel uses
>> multi-lingual entry in Windows, which may be part of it.
>
>It's a UTF-8 encoded dash. That doesn't indicate he's using a weird
>native encoding without the ASCII subset.

Indeed. And maybe it has something to do with gtk. Daniel,
did you install the GTK+ 2.12.10 runtime before Scala?

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> >> It looks like a fetus on the website, like a dash in
> >> my e-mail client, and like a fetus in my e-mail client
> >> in your quote (below). I also believe Daniel uses
> >> multi-lingual entry in Windows, which may be part of it.
> >
> >It's a UTF-8 encoded dash. That doesn't indicate he's using a
weird
> >native encoding without the ASCII subset.

It's just a m-dash.

>
> Indeed. And maybe it has something to do with gtk. Daniel,
> did you install the GTK+ 2.12.10 runtime before Scala?
>

Of course. What's strange about this is that all of the other
programs on my machine which use the GTK+ (GIMP, TeX, etc.) display
just fine.

djw

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Funny thing -- there are also some weird characters in your
> message (quoted above). Probably you have some character
> encodings on your machine that are to blame in both instances.
> Manual may be able to help. If you don't get a reply from
> him here in a couple days, I'd e-mail him directly.

This is a problem I have seen on other Yahoo groups. The problem (or
at least, /a/ problem) appears to be that Yahoo does not declare the
encoding of its web pages correctly. It's easy to fix though - just
tell your web browser that the page is UTF-8.

The problem multiplies as soon as someone quotes the mojibake and
re-posts it. It's pretty much impossible to recover the original after
that.

(All that applies to viewing the posts in a browser only. If you're
viewing the posts some other way, then everything I just said is
irrelevant).

Jill

Testing the dash in —at

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