Re: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?

> From: ploo26 <ploo@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:03 AM
> Subject: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Q,#1, what exactly is a sruti?

hah, that's a good one! ;-)

the short answer is that it's the basic interval measurement
in Indian music, there being 22 of them in an "octave"
(instead of the 12 in the usual western scale).

the consensus today is that these are n o t equal
sizes. most Indian theorists and scholars of their
work categorize intervals in Indian scales into 3 basic
step-sizes, which are thus 3 different-sized srutis,
approximately 22, 70, and 90 cents.

see my webpage "5-Limit Implications of Ancient Indian Tuning"
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/indian/indian.htm

and the related dialog, mostly between me and Paul Erlich,
"The Indian sruti system as a periodicity-block"
http://www.ixpres.com/interval/td/erlich/srutipblock.htm

Paul gives what is probably the most "correct" interpretation
of the rational logic behind the Indian sruti system.

there's been a lot of discussion of srutis over on the
main tuning list
/tuning

here's a fuller answer that i gave one of those times:

tuning, message 26207
From: monz <joemonz@y...>
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:25pm
Subject: "typical" sruti ratios [was: what a dope (user)]
/tuning/topicId_26207.html#26207?expand=1

look also at messages near this one along the same thread.

-monz

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Thanks to Monz (public) and X.J. (off-list)!

GZ

monz wrote:

> > From: ploo26 <ploo@...>
> > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:03 AM
> > Subject: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Q,#1, what exactly is a sruti?
>
> hah, that's a good one! ;-)
>
> the short answer is that it's the basic interval measurement
> in Indian music, there being 22 of them in an "octave"
> (instead of the 12 in the usual western scale).
>
> the consensus today is that these are n o t equal
> sizes. most Indian theorists and scholars of their
> work categorize intervals in Indian scales into 3 basic
> step-sizes, which are thus 3 different-sized srutis,
> approximately 22, 70, and 90 cents.
>
> see my webpage "5-Limit Implications of Ancient Indian Tuning"
> http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/indian/indian.htm
>
> and the related dialog, mostly between me and Paul Erlich,
> "The Indian sruti system as a periodicity-block"
> http://www.ixpres.com/interval/td/erlich/srutipblock.htm
>
> Paul gives what is probably the most "correct" interpretation
> of the rational logic behind the Indian sruti system.
>
> there's been a lot of discussion of srutis over on the
> main tuning list
> /tuning
>
> here's a fuller answer that i gave one of those times:
>
> tuning, message 26207
> From: monz <joemonz@y...>
> Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:25pm
> Subject: "typical" sruti ratios [was: what a dope (user)]
> /tuning/topicId_26207.html#26207?expand=1
>
> look also at messages near this one along the same thread.
>
> -monz
>
>
>
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> From: George Zelenz <ploo@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?
>
>
> Thanks to Monz (public) and X.J. (off-list)!
>
> GZ
>
>
>
> monz wrote:
>
> > > From: ploo26 <ploo@...>

i t h o u g h t that email was also yours, George!

you're the person i addressed the first time i wrote this:

> > tuning, message 26207
> > From: monz <joemonz@y...>
> > Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:25pm
> > Subject: "typical" sruti ratios [was: what a dope (user)]
> > /tuning/topicId_26207.html#26207?expand=1

what happened ... did you forget?

-monz

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That original explanation was recently questioned by an Indian musician
friend of mine, so I thought maybe I forgot.

I forget alot about tuning, all the time. Forgive my ineptitude, and lack of
understanding.

Matter of fact, I feel pretty awful about the whole thing. Tell you what I'm
gonna do for you Monz.

I'm a gonna build me a bed of nails. Not a bed of a thousand nails, each
nail tip supporting mere ounces. I'm a gonna use just two nails Joe. One
less than Jesus. Plus (+), I'm gonna run jump and fall on those two nails,
just for the extree penitence.

Sorry Joe.

GZ

monz wrote:

> > From: George Zelenz <ploo@...>
> > To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks to Monz (public) and X.J. (off-list)!
> >
> > GZ
> >
> >
> >
> > monz wrote:
> >
> > > > From: ploo26 <ploo@...>
>
> i t h o u g h t that email was also yours, George!
>
> you're the person i addressed the first time i wrote this:
>
> > > tuning, message 26207
> > > From: monz <joemonz@y...>
> > > Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:25pm
> > > Subject: "typical" sruti ratios [was: what a dope (user)]
> > > /tuning/topicId_26207.html#26207?expand=1
>
> what happened ... did you forget?
>
> -monz
>
>
>
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> From: George Zelenz <ploo@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MMM] Proteus 2000/ Sruti ?
>
>
> That original explanation was recently questioned by an Indian musician
> friend of mine, so I thought maybe I forgot.
>
> I forget alot about tuning, all the time. Forgive my ineptitude, and lack
of
> understanding.
>
> Matter of fact, I feel pretty awful about the whole thing. Tell you what
I'm
> gonna do for you Monz.
>
> I'm a gonna build me a bed of nails. Not a bed of a thousand nails, each
> nail tip supporting mere ounces. I'm a gonna use just two nails Joe. One
> less than Jesus. Plus (+), I'm gonna run jump and fall on those two nails,
> just for the extree penitence.
>
> Sorry Joe.

nope, George, that's not enough. have to think of something even
more penitential.

i know ... you'll be forced to listen to 12edo music *while*
you "run jump and fall on those two nails". how 'bout if we
make it s e r i a l 12edo music?

;-P

-monz

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