Reply to Chris.

I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier for
ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all day
long. I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even sent him
a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further
explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to me: "Thankyou
for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to do". My
research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal music, 12-
note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring my
ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical.

> I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier for
> ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all day
> long.

Retuning midi files isn't exactly groundbreaking... timidity even has
a built-in command line option...

> I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even sent him
> a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further
> explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to me: "Thankyou
> for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to do".

Is making music ever "unwise"? :)

Funny, I've been working on his writings for over 2 years now, and
still feel like I'm just beginning to understand. You must be a
genius! ;)

> My
> research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal music, 12-
> note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring my
> ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical.

So far I haven't seen any research, or any findings. If you were, for
instance, demonstrating that your re-tuned files retained something of
their original identity as pieces of music, that would be something,
but would involve psychological study. Simply retuning midi files and
saying "I like that sound!" is wonderful, but it's hardly
groundbreaking, which means it doesn't justify your vague, egotistical
rants.

Chris

robert thomas martin wrote:
> I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier for > ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all day > long. I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even sent him > a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further > explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to me: "Thankyou > for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to do". My > research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal music, 12-
> note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring my > ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical. So Erv tells you to follow your own path and you tell Chris to follow --- your path. How noble!

Graham

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <gbreed@...>
wrote:
>
> robert thomas martin wrote:
> > I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier
for
> > ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all
day
> > long. I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even
sent him
> > a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further
> > explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to
me: "Thankyou
> > for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to
do". My
> > research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal
music, 12-
> > note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring
my
> > ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical.
>
> So Erv tells you to follow your own path and you tell Chris
> to follow --- your path. How noble!
>
>
> Graham
>
From Robert. Erv Wilson's writings are not sacred texts and neither
are mine. I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever
been. If this generates unfair criticisms, animosity, hostility and
petty jealousies then so be it. My ideas are now on the internet and
I doubt that anyone can stop them now. They will end up having a life
of their own. And a very noble life at that.

i have never known Erv to write such things

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

robert thomas martin wrote:
>
> I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier for
> ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all day
> long. I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even sent him
> a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further
> explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to me: "Thankyou
> for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to do". My
> research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal music, 12-
> note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring my
> ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical.
>
>

pardon
i did not see where the quote ended.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Kraig Grady wrote:
>
> i have never known Erv to write such things
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/ > <http://anaphoria.com/>>
>
> _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/ > <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>>
>
> ',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',
>
> robert thomas martin wrote:
> >
> > I don't think anything of the sort. I am simply making it easier for
> > ANYBODY to have microtonal music playing in their living room all day
> > long. I have been in contact by mail with Erv Wilson and even sent him
> > a cassette of microtonal Christmas music. I don't need to further
> > explore any of his work. This is Erv Wilson's reply to me: "Thankyou
> > for your feedback. You are wise to do exactly what you want to do". My
> > research findings bridges the gaps between traditional tonal music, 12-
> > note theory and microtonality. You would be better off exploring my
> > ideas. You might actually learn something useful and practical.
> >
> >
>
>

Robert wrote:

>I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever been.

Robert, just curious why you believe this.

-Carl

>> Robert wrote:
>>
>> >I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever been.
>>
>> Robert, just curious why you believe this.
>>
>> -Carl
>
>From Robert. Casting pearls before swine has always been a risky
>business and always will be. I believe it because it is true.
>Microtonality has become enriched by my contributions regardless of the
>origin of the seeds for my ideas. Why has the tuning-math group
>stalled? Perhaps you should try to contact Edward Lear in the afterlife
>for more nonsensical ideas to pontificate upon.

Just wondering why you think your discoveries are pearls,
and we swine. Why won't you explain it?

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>
> >> Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> >I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever been.
> >>
> >> Robert, just curious why you believe this.
> >>
> >> -Carl
> >
> >From Robert. Casting pearls before swine has always been a risky
> >business and always will be. I believe it because it is true.
> >Microtonality has become enriched by my contributions regardless
of the
> >origin of the seeds for my ideas. Why has the tuning-math group
> >stalled? Perhaps you should try to contact Edward Lear in the
afterlife
> >for more nonsensical ideas to pontificate upon.
>
> Just wondering why you think your discoveries are pearls,
> and we swine. Why won't you explain it?
>
> -Carl
>
From Robert. The fish aren't biting today. Suggest you contact
Edward Lear or Lewis Carroll who can supply the info you need. Good
luck with the tuning-math group. Watch out for the Mad Hatter. He's a
tricky fellow.

Robert:

All anyone is saying is that your musical "algorithms" have been in
play now for quite a while. They are certainly useful, and you can use
them to generate any variety of meantone temperaments or magic
temperaments or any kind of linear temperament you might want.
However, they aren't new, they aren't groundbreaking, and they are
certainly limiting to say the least. So if you want to create a system
to make microtonality easy for the average joe to use, rather than
putting all of your eggs into this one basket, I suggest you do some
further research into it.

-Mike

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM, robert thomas martin
<robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>>
>> >> Robert wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever been.
>> >>
>> >> Robert, just curious why you believe this.
>> >>
>> >> -Carl
>> >
>> >From Robert. Casting pearls before swine has always been a risky
>> >business and always will be. I believe it because it is true.
>> >Microtonality has become enriched by my contributions regardless
> of the
>> >origin of the seeds for my ideas. Why has the tuning-math group
>> >stalled? Perhaps you should try to contact Edward Lear in the
> afterlife
>> >for more nonsensical ideas to pontificate upon.
>>
>> Just wondering why you think your discoveries are pearls,
>> and we swine. Why won't you explain it?
>>
>> -Carl
>>
> From Robert. The fish aren't biting today. Suggest you contact
> Edward Lear or Lewis Carroll who can supply the info you need. Good
> luck with the tuning-math group. Watch out for the Mad Hatter. He's a
> tricky fellow.
>
>

I wish this thread was longer on information and shorter on name
calling. Robert. Why not ignore Carl and show some sympathy for the
innocent bystanders on this list and add a little explanation for our
benefit. Defend yourself on the merits. Give us some relief and save
the attacks on Carl's character for private dialog between you two. To
strike back at one person you are flooding all of our in boxes with
content free emotional counter attacks. Remember that just like
everyone else on this list I didn't attack you so like them I don't
deserve being forced to read this level of invective. So far my
feeling, probably shared by many, is "a pox on both your houses."
Carl's contribution is to bait you. Your contribution is to rise to
the bait. Neither adds to the discussion.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM, robert thomas martin
<robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
>>
>> >> Robert wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I am simply making microtonality easier than it has ever been.
>> >>
>> >> Robert, just curious why you believe this.
>> >>
>> >> -Carl
>> >
>> >From Robert. Casting pearls before swine has always been a risky
>> >business and always will be. I believe it because it is true.
>> >Microtonality has become enriched by my contributions regardless
> of the
>> >origin of the seeds for my ideas. Why has the tuning-math group
>> >stalled? Perhaps you should try to contact Edward Lear in the
> afterlife
>> >for more nonsensical ideas to pontificate upon.
>>
>> Just wondering why you think your discoveries are pearls,
>> and we swine. Why won't you explain it?
>>
>> -Carl
>>
> From Robert. The fish aren't biting today. Suggest you contact
> Edward Lear or Lewis Carroll who can supply the info you need. Good
> luck with the tuning-math group. Watch out for the Mad Hatter. He's a
> tricky fellow.
>
>

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