Teenagers and Microtonality.

Any intelligent teenager in possession of a Kurzweil (or similar) and
in combination with my stacking and 3-note chord algorithms can produce
a vast quantity of good quality microtonal music by translating (or
transforming) the large body of midi files obtainable for free on the
internet. This is an unforeseen development which can best be addressed
by asking why my musical algorithms work so well in the first place.

robert thomas martin wrote:
> > > Any intelligent teenager in possession of a Kurzweil (or similar) and
> in combination with my stacking and 3-note chord algorithms can produce
> a vast quantity of good quality microtonal music by translating (or
> transforming) the large body of midi files obtainable for free on the
> internet. This is an unforeseen development which can best be addressed
> by asking why my musical algorithms work so well in the first place.

ok, do you have some references?

what are your stacking and 3-note chord algorithms.?

and do musical algorithms work well in practice?

or more precisely which algorithms and in what context?

or to be more general, what are you on about mate?

Or better yet, come back with some mp3s/oggs of your transformed midi
files and let us listen!

Chris

2008/6/4 MDK <mdk@...>:
>
> robert thomas martin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Any intelligent teenager in possession of a Kurzweil (or similar) and
> > in combination with my stacking and 3-note chord algorithms can produce
> > a vast quantity of good quality microtonal music by translating (or
> > transforming) the large body of midi files obtainable for free on the
> > internet. This is an unforeseen development which can best be addressed
> > by asking why my musical algorithms work so well in the first place.
>
> ok, do you have some references?
>
> what are your stacking and 3-note chord algorithms.?
>
> and do musical algorithms work well in practice?
>
> or more precisely which algorithms and in what context?
>
> or to be more general, what are you on about mate?
>
>

--
"Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping you'll get a
different result is the definition of insanity."

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, MDK <mdk@...> wrote:
>
> robert thomas martin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Any intelligent teenager in possession of a Kurzweil (or similar)
and
> > in combination with my stacking and 3-note chord algorithms can
produce
> > a vast quantity of good quality microtonal music by translating
(or
> > transforming) the large body of midi files obtainable for free on
the
> > internet. This is an unforeseen development which can best be
addressed
> > by asking why my musical algorithms work so well in the first
place.
>
> ok, do you have some references?
>
> what are your stacking and 3-note chord algorithms.?
>
> and do musical algorithms work well in practice?
>
> or more precisely which algorithms and in what context?
>
> or to be more general, what are you on about mate?
>
From Robert. See my postings in MicroMadeEasy@yahoogroups.com

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Bryan" <chris@...>
wrote:
>
> Or better yet, come back with some mp3s/oggs of your transformed
midi
> files and let us listen!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> 2008/6/4 MDK <mdk@...>:
> >
> > robert thomas martin wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Any intelligent teenager in possession of a Kurzweil (or
similar) and
> > > in combination with my stacking and 3-note chord algorithms can
produce
> > > a vast quantity of good quality microtonal music by translating
(or
> > > transforming) the large body of midi files obtainable for free
on the
> > > internet. This is an unforeseen development which can best be
addressed
> > > by asking why my musical algorithms work so well in the first
place.
> >
> > ok, do you have some references?
> >
> > what are your stacking and 3-note chord algorithms.?
> >
> > and do musical algorithms work well in practice?
> >
> > or more precisely which algorithms and in what context?
> >
> > or to be more general, what are you on about mate?
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping you'll get a
> different result is the definition of insanity."
>
From Robert. Do it yourself. I've made it easy enough even for
teenagers.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
<robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Bryan" <chris@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Or better yet, come back with some mp3s/oggs of your transformed
> > midi files and let us listen!
> >
> >
> From Robert. Do it yourself. I've made it easy enough even for
> teenagers.
>

Robert, nobody does something just because it is easy. People do a
thing because they think it is a thing worth to do. I would like to
hear what your algorithm produces, but I simply do not have the
energy to do it myself - in the little spare time I have, there is a
number of my own microtonal projects waiting to be developed.
If you provided audio samples, we could all hear whether it is a
thing worth to do, which would greatly enhance your cause.
--
Hans Straub

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "hstraub64" <straub@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
> <robertthomasmartin@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Bryan" <chris@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Or better yet, come back with some mp3s/oggs of your
transformed
> > > midi files and let us listen!
> > >
> > >
> > From Robert. Do it yourself. I've made it easy enough even for
> > teenagers.
> >
>
> Robert, nobody does something just because it is easy. People do a
> thing because they think it is a thing worth to do. I would like to
> hear what your algorithm produces, but I simply do not have the
> energy to do it myself - in the little spare time I have, there is
a
> number of my own microtonal projects waiting to be developed.
> If you provided audio samples, we could all hear whether it is a
> thing worth to do, which would greatly enhance your cause.
> --
> Hans Straub
>
From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my music
to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do so.
In the meantime the info about my algorithms is freely available at
MicroMadeEasy@yahoogroups.com for those who want to explore them now.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
<robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
> From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my music
> to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do so.

There are plenty of people on this list that can give you tips and
pointers to accomplish this. The only drag is there isn't a
particularly good way to 'post' mp3 files to the list - file space is
not only scarce, but Yahoo Groups is pretty bonky at delivering even
modestly large files. Most people who post music host it on an outside
site, either a music-specific site or server space they get somewhere.
Again, I'm sure people could give some tips when and if necessary.

Jon wrote:
>> From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my music
>> to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do so.
>
>There are plenty of people on this list that can give you tips and
>pointers to accomplish this.

In order for that to happen, Robert would actually have to ask
a question. One that would happen to be appropriate for the
newsgroup he's posting in.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
> <robertthomasmartin@> wrote:
> > From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my
music
> > to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do so.
>
> There are plenty of people on this list that can give you tips and
> pointers to accomplish this. The only drag is there isn't a
> particularly good way to 'post' mp3 files to the list - file space is
> not only scarce, but Yahoo Groups is pretty bonky at delivering even
> modestly large files. Most people who post music host it on an outside
> site, either a music-specific site or server space they get somewhere.
> Again, I'm sure people could give some tips when and if necessary.
>
From Robert. Thanks for the info. I'll eventually figure something
out. I'm not in any particular hurry. I've already sent 23hours of
taped demos of my algorithms to Warren Burt at Wollongong Uni. He said
that he was willing to look after the tapes as a record of my research
findings.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:
> In order for that to happen, Robert would actually have to ask
> a question. One that would happen to be appropriate for the
> newsgroup he's posting in.

And the winner of the 2008 "Way To Spoil An Attempt At Diplomacy"
award goes to... Carl Lumma!

[tumultuous applause]

Cheers,
Jon

Jon Szanto wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
> <robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
>> From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my music >> to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do so. > > There are plenty of people on this list that can give you tips and
> pointers to accomplish this. The only drag is there isn't a
> particularly good way to 'post' mp3 files to the list - file space is
> not only scarce, but Yahoo Groups is pretty bonky at delivering even
> modestly large files. Most people who post music host it on an outside
> site, either a music-specific site or server space they get somewhere.
> Again, I'm sure people could give some tips when and if necessary.

I recommend Google Pages. You'll need a Gmail account to use Google Pages, but you can get one for free, and you'll have 100MB of space to upload stuff. Plenty for the sorts of examples that could be useful in places like here.

Say I want to put together a quick illustration of a scale or tuning. Unfortunately Cool Edit 2000 (which I use for recording and making mp3 files) is no longer available, but .ogg is a good alternative and there are free .ogg encoders available. The Wikipedia page on ogg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) has a bunch of links. It looks like Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) can make .ogg files. I've used Audacity and it takes some getting used to, but it's free.

Once you've got your Google page set up and an mp3 or ogg that you want to upload, click the Upload link in Google Page Creator, browse for your file, upload it, and there you go.

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/AlphaBlending.mp3

If you plan on putting up lots of examples, you'll want a main page to link to them. Editing pages on Google is done entirely through the web interface and is pretty easy to do -- add headers, tables, links and other features by clicking on buttons in the web page.

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/home

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
wrote:
>
> Jon Szanto wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
> > <robertthomasmartin@> wrote:
> >> From Robert. When I have thoroughly learned how to convert my
music
> >> to mp3 etc and post it efficiently to this group then I will do
so.
> >
> > There are plenty of people on this list that can give you tips and
> > pointers to accomplish this. The only drag is there isn't a
> > particularly good way to 'post' mp3 files to the list - file
space is
> > not only scarce, but Yahoo Groups is pretty bonky at delivering
even
> > modestly large files. Most people who post music host it on an
outside
> > site, either a music-specific site or server space they get
somewhere.
> > Again, I'm sure people could give some tips when and if necessary.
>
> I recommend Google Pages. You'll need a Gmail account to use Google
> Pages, but you can get one for free, and you'll have 100MB of space
to
> upload stuff. Plenty for the sorts of examples that could be useful
in
> places like here.
>
> Say I want to put together a quick illustration of a scale or
tuning.
> Unfortunately Cool Edit 2000 (which I use for recording and making
mp3
> files) is no longer available, but .ogg is a good alternative and
there
> are free .ogg encoders available. The Wikipedia page on ogg
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) has a bunch of links. It looks
like
> Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) can make .ogg files.
I've
> used Audacity and it takes some getting used to, but it's free.
>
> Once you've got your Google page set up and an mp3 or ogg that you
want
> to upload, click the Upload link in Google Page Creator, browse for
your
> file, upload it, and there you go.
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/AlphaBlending.mp3
>
> If you plan on putting up lots of examples, you'll want a main page
to
> link to them. Editing pages on Google is done entirely through the
web
> interface and is pretty easy to do -- add headers, tables, links
and
> other features by clicking on buttons in the web page.
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/home
>
Fro Robert. Thakyou Herman. I forwarded your message to
MicroMadeEasy because it contains very useful information.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "robert thomas martin"
<robertthomasmartin@...> wrote:
> Fro Robert. Thakyou Herman. I forwarded your message to
> MicroMadeEasy because it contains very useful information.

Alternately, you could just ask the 8 members there - no, wait, *6*,
subtracting me and you from the total - to just join up over here. A
group that has been together for nearly 7 years for the exact same
reason you seem to have set up that group.

If nothing else, 2 requests:

1. We commonly try to trim our replies, so that an entire post isn't
quoted, thereby completely replicating something everyone has already
read.

2. How about not simply absconding the information from this list to
bulk up yours? Speaking for myself, and possibly Herman, I offered my
thoughts for *your* consideration, as well as *this* list. If I want
to contribute my thoughts elsewhere, I certainly know how to post. If
*nothing* else, you might have the courtesy to ask before copy/pasting
an entire post to another list. You know, just to be collegial.

There, now *I* have gone and blown diplomacy all to hell and back.

Cheers,
Jon