JI?

I heard a singer on TV today, Sofia Sanden, and I noticed she seemed to be singing in something close to 7-limit JI. I found a small snippet on the net to share:

http://www.drone.se/mp3/drone/DROCD041x02.mp3

That link is actually from the left hand side of this page:

http://www.drone.se/artists.php?artist=sofiasanden

The above mp3 is the one called "Valsigna dessa hjartan" (Bless these hearts).

The other music snippets don't seem to be as clearly microtonal.

Here are the tones I can hear:

1/1
10/9 (once, when drone plays 1/1 4/3 instead of 1/1 3/2)
9/8
5/4
81/64 (once, walking downwards from 4/3)
21/16
4/3
3/2
27/16 (or is it 5/3? the music is to quick in this region to hear clearly)
7/4

I don't know if I'm deluding myself or not, seeing that there are so many comma variations of the "same" tones. Is this just because she is a good singer or is it because she is aware of the different commatic variations?

/ Magnus

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Jonsson <magnus@...> wrote:
> http://www.drone.se/mp3/drone/DROCD041x02.mp3

> Here are the tones I can hear:
>
> 1/1
> 10/9 (once, when drone plays 1/1 4/3 instead of 1/1 3/2)
> 9/8
> 5/4
> 81/64 (once, walking downwards from 4/3)
> 21/16
> 4/3
> 3/2
> 27/16 (or is it 5/3? the music is to quick in this region to hear
clearly)
> 7/4

I don't hear the 7th as a harmonic 7th, just a 15/8 I think,
especially the time she sings it below the drone. I did notice the
21/16 or at least something flat of perfect. Of course I have no
answer to your tough questions.

Hmm,
Jacob

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Jacob wrote:

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Jonsson <magnus@...> wrote:
>> http://www.drone.se/mp3/drone/DROCD041x02.mp3
>
>> Here are the tones I can hear:
>>
>> 1/1
>> 10/9 (once, when drone plays 1/1 4/3 instead of 1/1 3/2)
>> 9/8
>> 5/4
>> 81/64 (once, walking downwards from 4/3)
>> 21/16
>> 4/3
>> 3/2
>> 27/16 (or is it 5/3? the music is to quick in this region to hear
> clearly)
>> 7/4
>
> I don't hear the 7th as a harmonic 7th, just a 15/8 I think,
> especially the time she sings it below the drone. I did notice the
> 21/16 or at least something flat of perfect.

I am quite sure it is at least a whole tonestep down from the lower drone tone. Perhaps we chose different 1/1?

> Of course I have no answer to your tough questions.

Thanks, I thought I'd share it, that's all. I didn't really expect answers to the hard questions :)

/ Magnus

Jacob wrote...

>> http://www.drone.se/mp3/drone/DROCD041x02.mp3
>>
>> Here are the tones I can hear:
>>
>> 1/1
>> 10/9 (once, when drone plays 1/1 4/3 instead of 1/1 3/2)
>> 9/8
>> 5/4
>> 81/64 (once, walking downwards from 4/3)
>> 21/16
>> 4/3
>> 3/2
>> 27/16 (or is it 5/3? the music is to quick in this region to
>> hear clearly)
>> 7/4
>
>I don't hear the 7th as a harmonic 7th, just a 15/8 I think,

You mean 16/9? Well it's not clear to me that it has to be JI
at all. But like you, I don't hear it as a harmonic 7th.

-Carl

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Carl Lumma wrote:

> Jacob wrote...
>
>>> http://www.drone.se/mp3/drone/DROCD041x02.mp3
>>>
>>> Here are the tones I can hear:
>>>
>>> 1/1
>>> 10/9 (once, when drone plays 1/1 4/3 instead of 1/1 3/2)
>>> 9/8
>>> 5/4
>>> 81/64 (once, walking downwards from 4/3)
>>> 21/16
>>> 4/3
>>> 3/2
>>> 27/16 (or is it 5/3? the music is to quick in this region to
>>> hear clearly)
>>> 7/4
>>
>> I don't hear the 7th as a harmonic 7th, just a 15/8 I think,
>
> You mean 16/9? Well it's not clear to me that it has to be JI
> at all. But like you, I don't hear it as a harmonic 7th.

You are probably right, I must have been deluding myself. I tried you are right it is closer to 16/9 than 7/4. My sense of how wide a 9/8 whole tone is must have been distorted by too much meantone :). Also I have a feeling that the septimality was more pronounced on the TV performance than in this recording. Oh well. Thanks for listening! I still find interesting the other commatic variations, of which I am more sure of. They may not be in the exact JI ratios, but there are clearly two versions of the major third and the fourth.

/ Magnus