Final thoughts on this thread (relieved applause)

"But you already prophesied what history will decide regarding sound
art..."

Chris, I'm glad to see you refering to this as "sound art", thus
distinguishing it from "music". A Very Important Paradigm Shift. For
"sound art" to have its own validity and continued existence as a
separate but related genre, this distiction is important. My
"prophecies" related to the mistake of conflating two different, though
related, concepts.

"...and that lesson is that those who try to predict what will
"endure" are usually mistaken... :)"

I trust that "sound art" can endure when it finally grows up and leaves
home, rather than continuing to sponge off Mom's assets. What will
definitely endure far into the forseeable future, is our Western branch
of the ancient Sumerian musical tradition (the other closely related
branches being that of the Middle East and India.)

LOL My referring to it as sound art was in no way meant to distinguish it
from music... I think this distinction is inaccurate. I guess that is where
we part ways. You, like the modernists, still insist on defining the future
as well as the past, thus subtracting from the musical spectrum that
otherwise might be. Your separation of music and sound art closely
parallels, I think, the modernist's separation of "art music" and "popular
music," which again is a false distinction.

Best wishes in your music making (which is so much more important than our
definitions and categories...) :-D

-Chris

On 26/10/2007, J.Smith <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
>
> "But you already prophesied what history will decide regarding sound
> art..."
>
> Chris, I'm glad to see you refering to this as "sound art", thus
> distinguishing it from "music". A Very Important Paradigm Shift. For
> "sound art" to have its own validity and continued existence as a
> separate but related genre, this distiction is important. My
> "prophecies" related to the mistake of conflating two different, though
> related, concepts.
>
> "...and that lesson is that those who try to predict what will
> "endure" are usually mistaken... :)"
>
> I trust that "sound art" can endure when it finally grows up and leaves
> home, rather than continuing to sponge off Mom's assets. What will
> definitely endure far into the forseeable future, is our Western branch
> of the ancient Sumerian musical tradition (the other closely related
> branches being that of the Middle East and India.)
>
>
>

--
"If terrorists can maneuver democracies into employing tactics
indistinguishable from theirs, it could be argued that they have won no
matter what the outcome on the battlefield." -Stanley Fish

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Chris Bryan wrote:
> LOL My referring to it as sound art was in no way meant to distinguish it
> from music... I think this distinction is inaccurate. I guess that is where
> we part ways. You, like the modernists, still insist on defining the future
> as well as the past, thus subtracting from the musical spectrum that
> otherwise might be. Your separation of music and sound art closely
> parallels, I think, the modernist's separation of "art music" and "popular
> music," which again is a false distinction.

Misty in Roots said:
"When we tread this line, we walk for one reason. The reason is to help another man to think for himself. The music of our hearts is roots music, music which recalls history, because without the knowledge of your history you cannot determine your destiny.

"The music about the present because if you're not conscious of the present you're like a cabbage in this society.

"Music which tells about the future and the judgement which is to come. The music of our hearts is roots music."

sound art and sound sculpture have been used as terms for a halfcentury now. while the languages around the world continue to decrease,new supposed genre seem to be put forward. in the end everyone seems tojust call it music

-----Original Message-----
From: J.Smith [mailto:jsmith9624@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 02:07 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MMM] Final thoughts on this thread (relieved applause)

"But you already prophesied what history will decide regarding sound
art..."

Chris, I'm glad to see you refering to this as "sound art", thus
distinguishing it from "music". A Very Important Paradigm Shift. For
"sound art" to have its own validity and continued existence as a
separate but related genre, this distiction is important. My
"prophecies" related to the mistake of conflating two different, though
related, concepts.

"...and that lesson is that those who try to predict what will
"endure" are usually mistaken... :)"

I trust that "sound art" can endure when it finally grows up and leaves
home, rather than continuing to sponge off Mom's assets. What will
definitely endure far into the forseeable future, is our Western branch
of the ancient Sumerian musical tradition (the other closely related
branches being that of the Middle East and India.)

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