Re: [MMM] Researchers rediscover just intonation by analyzing speech formants

Rather interesting. For those who want to "cut to the chase", see the
"Discussion" section, bottom-rigth of page 9854.

Rick

Magnus wrote:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/gca?allch=&SEARCHID=1&FULLTEXT=vowel&FIRSTINDEX=0&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&gca=pnas%3B0703140104v1&allchb=

> It shows among other things which JI intervals are most common between
> formants in speech

At 10:28 AM 5/26/2007, you wrote:
>Most of the results are obvious to us microtonalists, but nevertheless I
>found it interesting to read.
>
>http://www.pnas.org/cgi/gca?allch=&SEARCHID=1&FULLTEXT=vowel&FIRSTINDE
>X=0&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&gca=pnas%3B0703140104v1&allchb=
>
>It shows among other things which JI intervals are most common between
>formants in speech, and shows the ranges of formants in males and females
>in terms of what harmonics they can emphasize.
>
>Perhaps this post would be better on the tuning or tuning-math list but I
>am not subscribed there anymore so I apologize. Feel free to move it
>there.
>
>/ Magnus

I'd love to see their evidence that "throughout history and
across cultures" people use 12 tones/octave. There are so many
of these neuroscience/music papers now that get the basics
wrong I've given up caring.

-Carl

>> It shows among other things which JI intervals are most common between
>> formants in speech

Sounds like a trivial result to me. Martin Braun is
very fond of an earlier study on this subject...

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/18/7160

Oh, I see the present paper is citing this.

-Carl

Is anyone else on the MMM list having the same problem I'm having? Every
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Rick

Also interesting. Thanks!

On Sat, 26 May 2007, Carl Lumma wrote:

>>> It shows among other things which JI intervals are most common between
>>> formants in speech
>
> Sounds like a trivial result to me. Martin Braun is
> very fond of an earlier study on this subject...
>
> http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/18/7160
>
> Oh, I see the present paper is citing this.
>
> -Carl
>
>

Rick McGowan wrote:

>Is anyone else on the MMM list having the same problem I'm having? Every >message I send to the list results in an annoying bounce-back "no spam >allowed" mail from "mailfilter@..."? I think AKJ's mail filter is >being too agressive. Hint hint.
>

yep. me too.

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