5 new songs on the Holocene page

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205

I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
address. The songs are in, respectively, 20-EDO, 15-EDO, 11-EDO,
16-EDO, and 14-EDO. They're part of an album-in-progress, "Map of an
Emotional Landscape", which aside from being what the title suggests
is also a Blackwood-esque exposition/exploration of the tonal
properties of different EDOs...the two halves of my brain are finally
working together! I never knew that math could have relevance to
emotions, and vice-versa.

At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent in
12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper. I've
definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns out
that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually sound all
that bad. Take a listen and see if y'all don't agree!

BTW, Mr. Straub (Hans, if I may be so familiar), these songs all have
meters matched to their EDOs, after your suggestion. What do you think?

No offense, but have you considered hosting your music in such
a way that I don't have to give my e-mail address to a 3rd-party
to download it?

-Carl

At 09:18 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote:
>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205
>
>I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
>address. The songs are in, respectively, 20-EDO, 15-EDO, 11-EDO,
>16-EDO, and 14-EDO. They're part of an album-in-progress, "Map of an
>Emotional Landscape", which aside from being what the title suggests
>is also a Blackwood-esque exposition/exploration of the tonal
>properties of different EDOs...the two halves of my brain are finally
>working together! I never knew that math could have relevance to
>emotions, and vice-versa.
>
>At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent in
>12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper. I've
>definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns out
>that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually sound all
>that bad. Take a listen and see if y'all don't agree!
>
>BTW, Mr. Straub (Hans, if I may be so familiar), these songs all have
>meters matched to their EDOs, after your suggestion. What do you think?
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Igliashon Jones"
<igliashon@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205
>
> I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
> address.

Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed the pieces, especially the one in 11
edo. It's nice to get one composer's perspective on several tunings
(or several composers perspective on one tuning as in the 17 tpp).

I never knew that math could have relevance to
> emotions, and vice-versa.

Mathematics can be an emotional field or hobby. A large number of
disciplines use mathematical principles to assist in making an
emotional impact, but I don't of any that can be as powerful as
music. I am amazed at how emotion can be another tool for exploring
and understanding mathematical structure.

> At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent
in
> 12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper. I've
> definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns out
> that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually sound
all
> that bad.

Experiments, like yours, show that common music theory isn't
complete. There are a lot of interesting fifths, in addition to the
purely tuned 3/2.

Thanks again,
Daniel Thompson
http://danielthompson.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 10 May 2007, Daniel Thompson wrote:

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Igliashon Jones"
> <igliashon@...> wrote:
>>
>> I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
>> address.
>
> Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed the pieces, especially the one in 11
> edo. It's nice to get one composer's perspective on several tunings
> (or several composers perspective on one tuning as in the 17 tpp).

Let me concur! I liked the 11edo one too, and I usually don't like low-EDO music.

/ Magnus

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> No offense, but have you considered hosting your music in such
> a way that I don't have to give my e-mail address to a 3rd-party
> to download it?
>
> -Carl

Recommend me a better host, and I'll gladly make use of it; soundclick
is a pain in the arse to work with in general and if I could find a
better host that doesn't limit the number of tracks I can make
available or require me to charge for downloads, I'd happily switch.
So if you know of any, I'd appreciate a recommendation!

-Igs

>> No offense, but have you considered hosting your music in such
>> a way that I don't have to give my e-mail address to a 3rd-party
>> to download it?
>>
>> -Carl
>
>Recommend me a better host, and I'll gladly make use of it; soundclick
>is a pain in the arse to work with in general and if I could find a
>better host that doesn't limit the number of tracks I can make
>available or require me to charge for downloads, I'd happily switch.
>So if you know of any, I'd appreciate a recommendation!
>
>-Igs

Jacob just posted stuff using archive.org, which worked
great for me. Others here may have suggestions.

I strongly recommend all musicians hire their own web
host. Among hosting companies, I strongly recommend:

http://www.dreamhost.com [for the technically-inclined]
http://www.tigertech.net [for easy use]

-Carl

> Recommend me a better host, and I'll gladly make use of it; soundclick
> is a pain in the arse to work with in general and if I could find a
> better host that doesn't limit the number of tracks I can make
> available or require me to charge for downloads, I'd happily switch.
> So if you know of any, I'd appreciate a recommendation!
>
> -Igs

I have my own web hosting and think it's a worthwhile investment. I
also have an esnips page, but don't think I would recommend it,
although I like the way you can also use it to backup files in private
folders. I really like the Zebox pages I see and would be curious to
hear what others think of the service. One question I have is whether
it provides any way to track your visitor stats.

Igliashon Jones wrote:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205
> > I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
> address. The songs are in, respectively, 20-EDO, 15-EDO, 11-EDO,
> 16-EDO, and 14-EDO.

Some of my favorite tunings .... is "Grumpy Hexatonic" an existing mode name or is it new? Either way, it's interesting that there are actually modes of 11-ET that have names.

They're part of an album-in-progress, "Map of an
> Emotional Landscape", which aside from being what the title suggests
> is also a Blackwood-esque exposition/exploration of the tonal
> properties of different EDOs...the two halves of my brain are finally
> working together! I never knew that math could have relevance to
> emotions, and vice-versa.
> > At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent in
> 12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper. I've
> definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns out
> that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually sound all
> that bad. Take a listen and see if y'all don't agree!

One thing I like about equal tunings is that all the "mistuned" intervals sound equally "bad" -- so that an interval that would sound "wrong" in a JI or microtemperament context only sounds like a more "colorful" or "spicy" interval in an EDO. Even 9-ET with its comma-sized error in the fifths can be marginally acceptable, although that's really stretching it.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Igliashon Jones"
<igliashon@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205
>
> I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
> address. The songs are in, respectively, 20-EDO, 15-EDO, 11-EDO,
> 16-EDO, and 14-EDO. They're part of an album-in-progress, "Map of
> an Emotional Landscape", which aside from being what the title
> suggests is also a Blackwood-esque exposition/exploration of the
> tonal properties of different EDOs...the two halves of my brain are
> finally working together! I never knew that math could have
> relevance to emotions, and vice-versa.
>

Sure it does!

> At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent
> in 12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper.
> I've definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns
> out that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually
> sound all that bad. Take a listen and see if y'all don't agree!
>
> BTW, Mr. Straub (Hans, if I may be so familiar),

Sure!

> these songs all have meters matched to their EDOs, after your
> suggestion. What do you think?

Ha!! Very interesting. I got to listen more closely then. Hmm, from
first hearing, I didn't even notice much - apart from the rhythm being
slightly irregular, it sounded quite natural. I guess it would be much
too optimistic to take this as a sign that the rhythm suits the tuning
very well.. It would be interesting to compare pieces in the same
tuning, but with different rhythms.

In the 15 piece, I keep hearing 8 and 7, not 15. It seems that
divisions in this range are getting difficult to perceive as unity - I
made a similar experience when I wrote my piece in 17. The relevance
of the hypothesis, if there is any, obviously comes to its limit here.

In any case, I like the rhythm of the 15-piece - and I definitely like
the guitar solo in the 11 piece. Want more of that guitar! And quite
interesting, as to Magnus, the 11EDO tuning does not sound that bad to
me, too.
--
Hans Straub

>

I *love* it. A very different style than your (also excellent)
City of the Asleep stuff. You're obviously a very well-rounded
and capable artist!

-Carl

At 09:18 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote:
>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205
>
>I just uploaded 5 new songs to my microtonal music page at the above
>address. The songs are in, respectively, 20-EDO, 15-EDO, 11-EDO,
>16-EDO, and 14-EDO. They're part of an album-in-progress, "Map of an
>Emotional Landscape", which aside from being what the title suggests
>is also a Blackwood-esque exposition/exploration of the tonal
>properties of different EDOs...the two halves of my brain are finally
>working together! I never knew that math could have relevance to
>emotions, and vice-versa.
>
>At any rate, the pieces so far all explore tonalities non-existent in
>12-EDO, and do so using EDOs which look pretty "bad" on paper. I've
>definitely fallen in love with the multiples of 5 and 7. Turns out
>that missing the 2:3 by upwards of 16 cents doesn't actually sound all
>that bad. Take a listen and see if y'all don't agree!
>
>BTW, Mr. Straub (Hans, if I may be so familiar), these songs all have
>meters matched to their EDOs, after your suggestion. What do you think

Igliashon Jones wrote:

> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=376205

Now that's good stuff. Best 11-tet composition I've ever heard, and all those bad things I said about 15-tet earlier on tuning, I take back.

And the meters matching the edos, good idea too.

~D.