find of da day - mick sussman

electronic music made from samples, snipped up and arranged to produce
rhythm and tempo studies, pitch shifted for microtonal purposes.
currently listening to Enharmonic Rock.

http://micksussman.com/pw/music.html

found via searching internet archive for 'microtonal'

I like. -Carl

At 06:41 AM 5/9/2007, you wrote:
>electronic music made from samples, snipped up and arranged to produce
>rhythm and tempo studies, pitch shifted for microtonal purposes.
>currently listening to Enharmonic Rock.
>
>http://micksussman.com/pw/music.html
>
>found via searching internet archive for 'microtonal'

http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/

Composer living in Tasmania (with solar-powered studio! extra credit!)
using just intonation, digeridu, birdsong.

I recently met Ron as he visited with Warren Burt.
Strong music that remained on the positive sides of things despite using such a large vocabulary of things and approaches. I also highly recommend

Jacob wrote:
>
> http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/ <http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/>
>
> Composer living in Tasmania (with solar-powered studio! extra credit!)
> using just intonation, digeridu, birdsong.
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

I gotta say I'm pretty impressed. Usually birdsong->music
attempts just piss me off, but this is good.

-Carl

At 10:27 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote:
>I recently met Ron as he visited with Warren Burt.
> Strong music that remained on the positive sides of things despite
>using such a large vocabulary of things and approaches. I also highly
>recommend
>
>Jacob wrote:
>>
>> http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/ <http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/>
>>
>> Composer living in Tasmania (with solar-powered studio! extra credit!)
>> using just intonation, digeridu, birdsong.
>

Carl Lumma wrote:
> I gotta say I'm pretty impressed. Usually birdsong->music
> attempts just piss me off, but this is good.
> Carl, you're funny!

I'm only familiar with birdsong being used by Messiaen. Is that who pissed you off?

BTW, I would have written it like so: birdsong2music....using arrows to show translation really pisses me off. ;)

(just pulling your leg)

-A.

> -Carl
>
> At 10:27 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote:
> >> I recently met Ron as he visited with Warren Burt.
>> Strong music that remained on the positive sides of things despite >> using such a large vocabulary of things and approaches. I also highly >> recommend
>>
>> Jacob wrote:
>> >>> http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/ <http://www.ronnagorcka.id.au/>
>>>
>>> Composer living in Tasmania (with solar-powered studio! extra credit!)
>>> using just intonation, digeridu, birdsong.
>>>

Aaron K. Johnson wrote:

>
>I'm only familiar with birdsong being used by Messiaen. Is that who >pissed you off?
>

Birdhouse.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

David Beardsley wrote:

>Aaron K. Johnson wrote:
>
> >
>>I'm only familiar with birdsong being used by Messiaen. Is that who >>pissed you off?
>>
>> >>
>
>Birdhouse.
>

that should have read: Birdhouse? Gosh, that changes the whole meaning...as I recall, Carl didn't like Birdhouse.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

At 02:19 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote:
>Aaron K. Johnson wrote:
>>I'm only familiar with birdsong being used by Messiaen. Is that who
>>pissed you off?
>>
>
>Birdhouse.

I liked Birdhouse, and I don't remember exactly how strong
their claim of birdsong inspiration was, but if strong it
was slightly egregious. I do think they did a better job
of it than Messiaen, though I haven't listened to his birdsongy
works that closely.

I was referring more generally to the seemingly myriad remarks
about music being indebted to birdsong. It isn't. With a few
exceptions, I think birdsong sucks. Birds are twitchy and
certainly the arch enemy of mammals if there is such a thing.
Most birdsong is of the 'get out of here, you warm-blooded
poo target' variety. Birdsong is generally fairly boring, and
IIRC most North American species are adapted to listen to FM,
not pitches or melodies.

-Carl

>that should have read: Birdhouse? Gosh, that changes the whole
>meaning...as I recall, Carl didn't like Birdhouse.

I was almost ecstatic the two times I listened to their album.

-Carl

Carl Lumma wrote:

>>that should have read: Birdhouse? Gosh, that changes the whole >>meaning...as I recall, Carl didn't like Birdhouse.
>> >>
>
>I was almost ecstatic the two times I listened to their album.
>

I think the Wire really liked it too.

Carl, from the Tuning list, Feb 5, 1999:

>>and the Birdhouse CD!
>
>The Birdhouse CD is nice but nothing particularly good.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

Carl Lumma wrote:
> At 02:19 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote:
> >> Aaron K. Johnson wrote:
>> >>> I'm only familiar with birdsong being used by Messiaen. Is that who >>> pissed you off?
>>>
>>> >> Birdhouse.
>> >
> I liked Birdhouse, and I don't remember exactly how strong
> their claim of birdsong inspiration was, but if strong it
> was slightly egregious. I do think they did a better job
> of it than Messiaen, though I haven't listened to his birdsongy
> works that closely.
> I like Messiaen very much, but I have to say that I think the attention he gets for simply piling layer upon layer of birdsong is pretty over the top. It seems like a cheap and easy effect or gimmick at times. Maybe it is so noted because it was a novelty at the time....anyway, 'Chronchromie' is worth hearing once, but for me, once was enough to know I didn't need to hear it again....I much prefer some of his earlier and more post-romantic style works, where his unique voice can still be heard, but he's not yet entered into being an iconic proto-serialist who so influenced Boulez's awful pan-serial vomit. Some of Messiaen's organ music remains at the top of the repertoire in importance, imagination, and beauty, and I think the Turangalila Symphony is AMAZING...especially the final movement with all those amazing Ondes Martinon glissandi and huge orchestra colors.

> I was referring more generally to the seemingly myriad remarks
> about music being indebted to birdsong. It isn't. With a few
> exceptions, I think birdsong sucks. Birds are twitchy and
> certainly the arch enemy of mammals if there is such a thing.
> Most birdsong is of the 'get out of here, you warm-blooded
> poo target' variety. Birdsong is generally fairly boring, and
> IIRC most North American species are adapted to listen to FM,
> not pitches or melodies.
>
> -Carl
> This is funny...beloongs in a classic collection of Carl's various curmudgeonly remarks.

AKJ,

{you wrote...}
>> I was referring more generally to the seemingly myriad remarks
>> about music being indebted to birdsong. It isn't. With a few
>> exceptions, I think birdsong sucks. Birds are twitchy and
>> certainly the arch enemy of mammals if there is such a thing.
>> Most birdsong is of the 'get out of here, you warm-blooded
>> poo target' variety. Birdsong is generally fairly boring, and
>> IIRC most North American species are adapted to listen to FM,
>> not pitches or melodies.
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>This is funny...beloongs in a classic collection of Carl's various
>curmudgeonly remarks.

<sigh> But who will speak up for the birds? Who? :)

Just so things are balanced: Carl's an idiot. Birdsongs are great, not fairly boring, and Carl is actually the arch enemy of mammals (and there *is* such a thing). Barbershop quartet singing is what is really dreadful in this world.

There. Yin, meet Yang.

Cheers,
Jon

On 5/20/07, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
> AKJ,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >> I was referring more generally to the seemingly myriad remarks
> >> about music being indebted to birdsong. It isn't. With a few
> >> exceptions, I think birdsong sucks. Birds are twitchy and
> >> certainly the arch enemy of mammals if there is such a thing.
> >> Most birdsong is of the 'get out of here, you warm-blooded
> >> poo target' variety. Birdsong is generally fairly boring, and
> >> IIRC most North American species are adapted to listen to FM,
> >> not pitches or melodies.
> >>
> >> -Carl
> >>
> >This is funny...beloongs in a classic collection of Carl's various
> >curmudgeonly remarks.
>
> <sigh> But who will speak up for the birds? Who? :)
>
> Just so things are balanced: Carl's an idiot. Birdsongs are great, not fairly boring, and Carl is actually the arch enemy of mammals (and there *is* such a thing). Barbershop quartet singing is what is really dreadful in this world.
>
> There. Yin, meet Yang.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

That's not balance, that's bickering. Birdsongs serve birdsong lovers
well, but out of context they leave a lot to be desired. I think
Respighi integrated them well, buried under all that lush orchestral
stuff. Yes, I like Respighi. I don't think such an arbitrarily large
group as "mammals" can have a well-defined arch-nemesis. And
Barbershop Quartet singing is rather well suited to those who like to
listen to it.

Irritable composers, on the other hand, are the scourge of this planet.

--Tristan
http://dolor-sit-amet.deviantart.com

Tristan,

Barbershop Quartets serve Barbershop Quartet lovers well, but out of context they leave a lot to be desired.

{you wrote...}
>Irritable composers, on the other hand, are the scourge of this planet.

No kidding. Aren't they just the worst?

Cheers,
Jon

Aaron wrote...
>I like Messiaen very much, but I have to say that I think the attention
>he gets for simply piling layer upon layer of birdsong is pretty over
>the top. It seems like a cheap and easy effect or gimmick at times.

Birdsong-based pieces are in the minority in his output, no?

David Beardsley wrote...
>>I was almost ecstatic the two times I listened to their album.
>//
>Carl, from the Tuning list, Feb 5, 1999:
>
>>>and the Birdhouse CD!
>>
>>The Birdhouse CD is nice but nothing particularly good.

That was in the context of my top-10 microtonal albums list.
Birdhouse definitely doesn't make that cut. And you can tell I
didn't like it enough to listen to it more than twice. But I
do very fondly remember taking the bus from NY to my parents'
place for the weekend, and crashing out to the "Lay Your Weapon
Down" song.

-Carl

I recently talked wit ha friend who was a friend of the composer Roy Harris he said one time when Roy moved from the beach he asked him why?
He said
"All my music is starting to sound like Debussy."
Later he moved from Topanga and he asked him the same question.
He said Roy said
"Too many damn birds, my music is starting to sound like Messiaen."

Jon Szanto wrote:
>
> AKJ,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >> I was referring more generally to the seemingly myriad remarks
> >> about music being indebted to birdsong. It isn't. With a few
> >> exceptions, I think birdsong sucks. Birds are twitchy and
> >> certainly the arch enemy of mammals if there is such a thing.
> >> Most birdsong is of the 'get out of here, you warm-blooded
> >> poo target' variety. Birdsong is generally fairly boring, and
> >> IIRC most North American species are adapted to listen to FM,
> >> not pitches or melodies.
> >>
> >> -Carl
> >>
> >This is funny...beloongs in a classic collection of Carl's various
> >curmudgeonly remarks.
>
> <sigh> But who will speak up for the birds? Who? :)
>
> Just so things are balanced: Carl's an idiot. Birdsongs are great, not > fairly boring, and Carl is actually the arch enemy of mammals (and > there *is* such a thing). Barbershop quartet singing is what is really > dreadful in this world.
>
> There. Yin, meet Yang.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Technically, I found this over a month ago.

http://www.roberthasegawa.com/

One trace from the 19-tone piano project about 4 years ago at Harvard.

One Chaconne for James Tenney which makes me jump up and down with
excitement (mostly because I was also watching the score and slowly
realized that it bore great resemblance to a difference tone
progression
<http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/DifferenceToneProgressions>)

One quartertone-soprano-sax + perc romp.

One quartertone quartet, impeccably performed (or as close as I've
heard acoustic quartertones) and appreciably xenharmonic (a rare
accomplishment sometimes with quartertones) and...do i hear echoes of
carrillo?

these are (even more) fun to listen along with the scores.

is there compositional stuff in there that anyone wants to talk about?
(there's really been a dearth of such talk since akj's non12-comp
google group caved)

jacob