Bjork on minimalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264

Everything was going just fine until the glass player
whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
using it.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264
>
> Everything was going just fine until the glass player
> whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
> probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
> using it.

That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?

Is "InC" tuned to 12-et? Terry Riley uses just intonation frequently.
LaMonte Young works are not in 12-et, too.
Etc.
Milan

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
> in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?

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I did a just version in the early 80's and Schneider did one early on in the early microfest and i imagine Johnny has too. .
Riley has done one too more recently along with one that used the intonation of Chinese instruments

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264 > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264>
> >
> > Everything was going just fine until the glass player
> > whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
> > probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
> > using it.
>
> That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
> in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264
>>
>> Everything was going just fine until the glass player
>> whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
>> probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
>> using it.
>
>That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
>in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that ... well first
I'm going out to say I like Philip Glass ... then I'm going
to say that I think 12-ET suits his music well. I wouldn't
want him in JI.

I do prefer most minimalism in JI though: Riley, Rich,
Harrison, Grady... Granted some or all of these artists
have enough complexity in their music that they might
rightly object to being called minimalists. Especially
Grady and Harrison.

Re. Part. Is he the greatest living composer? A composer
I know scoffed at the notion. But with Ligeti dead, what
names come to mind?

-Carl

Fredric Rzewski

Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264 > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264>
> >>
> >> Everything was going just fine until the glass player
> >> whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
> >> probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
> >> using it.
> >
> >That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
> >in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?
>
> I am going to go out on a limb and say that ... well first
> I'm going out to say I like Philip Glass ... then I'm going
> to say that I think 12-ET suits his music well. I wouldn't
> want him in JI.
>
> I do prefer most minimalism in JI though: Riley, Rich,
> Harrison, Grady... Granted some or all of these artists
> have enough complexity in their music that they might
> rightly object to being called minimalists. Especially
> Grady and Harrison.
>
> Re. Part. Is he the greatest living composer? A composer
> I know scoffed at the notion. But with Ligeti dead, what
> names come to mind?
>
> -Carl
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Thanks for chiming in. I've only heard The People United,
but I was fairly impressed.

Another composer friend of mine, who happened to be the
one who loaned me the Rzewski disc, thought Berio was
the greatest living composer. But I could never get into
his stuff. And I just looked him up, and he passed away
in 2003.

It would be easy if Nancarrow were still with us (he
passed away in 1997).

Elliot Carter is 98 years old. Norman Henry might nominate
him. I prefer him to Berio I think, but still can't get
onboard 100%.

Witold Lutoslawski died in 1994.

Somebody on the web thinks either Einojuhani Rautavaara or
Per Norgard.

Maybe Easley Blackwood deserves mention. A student of
Messien, he was. And his string quartets are good.

I would never have thought of Part in this context, until
Kurt Bigler played a piece of his for me on his organ.
Maybe it was just the mood I was in that day, but, wow.

-Carl

At 12:51 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote:
>Fredric Rzewski
>
>Carl Lumma wrote:
>>
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixrSzIa264>
>> >>
>> >> Everything was going just fine until the glass player
>> >> whips out an ET tuner! Perfect example of someone who'd
>> >> probably rather not be using ET, and has no reason to be
>> >> using it.
>> >
>> >That's been a problem with minimalism all along. Why
>> >in hell would you tune "In C" to 12-et?
>>
>> I am going to go out on a limb and say that ... well first
>> I'm going out to say I like Philip Glass ... then I'm going
>> to say that I think 12-ET suits his music well. I wouldn't
>> want him in JI.
>>
>> I do prefer most minimalism in JI though: Riley, Rich,
>> Harrison, Grady... Granted some or all of these artists
>> have enough complexity in their music that they might
>> rightly object to being called minimalists. Especially
>> Grady and Harrison.
>>
>> Re. Part. Is he the greatest living composer? A composer
>> I know scoffed at the notion. But with Ligeti dead, what
>> names come to mind?
>>
>> -Carl

Kraig Grady wrote:

>I did a just version in the early 80's and Schneider did one early on in >the early microfest and i imagine Johnny has too. .
> >
Schneider played the composer approved 7 limit version at AFMM a few years ago.

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>
wrote:
>
> I did a just version in the early 80's and Schneider did one early on
in
> the early microfest and i imagine Johnny has too. .

Great. It's really the wau it should be done, I think,
but I've never heard such a version.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:

> Re. Part. Is he the greatest living composer? A composer
> I know scoffed at the notion. But with Ligeti dead, what
> names come to mind?

He's one of the few plausible choices. Del Tredici?
Carter? It makes me wonder if the greatest living
composer might be a microtonalist, an interesting
commentary on how classical music has progressed,
or failed to.

>> Re. Part. Is he the greatest living composer? A composer
>> I know scoffed at the notion. But with Ligeti dead, what
>> names come to mind?
>
>He's one of the few plausible choices. Del Tredici?
>Carter? It makes me wonder if the greatest living
>composer might be a microtonalist, an interesting
>commentary on how classical music has progressed,
>or failed to.

I think Blackwood has a serious shot at it.

-Carl