hello!

Hi
apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
so he's my first post!
thanks
Chris

Hello
Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
using computers and instruments to realise my music
since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
thanks for reading/listening
Chris Cook

Welcome Chris,

I see you play sitar. The curved frets of the sitar helped convince me
that a tubular guitar (choob) could work. Although I understand the
sitar frets are used for melody and almost never for intervals or chords.

Sitar-like movable frets on the choob would be great, if someone can
figure out how to make them easily and cheaply. I keep thinking of
wire hose-clamps but they always have _two_ wires going around.

-- Dave Keenan

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, CHRIS COOK <remote.control@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi
> apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
> so he's my first post!
> thanks
> Chris
>
> Hello
> Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
> using computers and instruments to realise my music
> since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
> late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
> deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
> guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
> recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
> Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
> Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
> along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
> thanks for reading/listening
> Chris Cook
>

Cool stuff. I'm listening to jaunes 1 & 2. May I ask
about the origin of the names?

-Carl

At 08:52 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Hi
>apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
>so he's my first post!
>thanks
>Chris
>
>Hello
>Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
>using computers and instruments to realise my music
>since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
>late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
>deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
>guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
>recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
>Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
>Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
>along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
>thanks for reading/listening
>Chris Cook

Hi Carl
basically I started to think of the sitar timbre as being "yellow" and so tracks that made
entirely from sitar samples received that title. Nothing more exciting than that I'm afraid.
thanks for listening
Chris

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> Cool stuff. I'm listening to jaunes 1 & 2. May I ask
> about the origin of the names?
>
> -Carl
>
> At 08:52 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
> >Hi
> >apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
> >so he's my first post!
> >thanks
> >Chris
> >
> >Hello
> >Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
> >using computers and instruments to realise my music
> >since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
> >late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
> >deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
> >guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
> >recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
> >Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
> >Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
> >along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
> >thanks for reading/listening
> >Chris Cook
>

Hi Dave

yes you're right, the 1st string can be bent or "meand"-ed across the curved frets up to 6
or 7 semitones, and (with skills that i lack) a player can obviously play any microtone he or
she wants .

But as you say only that one string (and possibly the lower 2nd and 3rd strings during
slower alap sections of ragas) is fretted at all, the rest are played open, sitars aren't really
designed for chords, in fact Indian classical music is predominantly melody and rhythm.

And yes the frets are movable, but normally they are still positioned to facilitate playing
"normal" notes (for example either at the minor or major second position but not
inbetween). Microtones are very much a part of Indian Classical music but are achieved
through bending the strings (as with blues guitar) as far as I know. I have often considered
moving the frets so that certain quarter tones could be played instead of semitones, and
tuning the sympathetic strings accordingly, but I fear you'd be encounter a few problems:
in particular the tuning pegs for the sympathetic strings would get in the way and
some frets would become too close together to use.

I don't actually know anything about the tubular guitar but I will investigate that tomorrow
hopefully

thanks and goodnight
Chris

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome Chris,
>
> I see you play sitar. The curved frets of the sitar helped convince me
> that a tubular guitar (choob) could work. Although I understand the
> sitar frets are used for melody and almost never for intervals or chords.
>
> Sitar-like movable frets on the choob would be great, if someone can
> figure out how to make them easily and cheaply. I keep thinking of
> wire hose-clamps but they always have _two_ wires going around.
>
> -- Dave Keenan
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, CHRIS COOK <remote.control@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
> > so he's my first post!
> > thanks
> > Chris
> >
> > Hello
> > Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
> > using computers and instruments to realise my music
> > since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
> > late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
> > deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
> > guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
> > recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
> > Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
> > Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
> > along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
> > thanks for reading/listening
> > Chris Cook
> >
>

Cool beans. Hope to see you around these parts in the
future.

-Carl

At 03:35 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Carl
>basically I started to think of the sitar timbre as being "yellow" and
>so tracks that made entirely from sitar samples received that title.
>Nothing more exciting than that I'm afraid.
>thanks for listening
>Chris
>
>
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>>
>> Cool stuff. I'm listening to jaunes 1 & 2. May I ask
>> about the origin of the names?
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>> At 08:52 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>> >Hi
>> >apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
>> >so he's my first post!
>> >thanks
>> >Chris
>> >
>> >Hello
>> >Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
>> >using computers and instruments to realise my music
>> >since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
>> >late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
>> >deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
>> >guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
>> >recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
>> >Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
>> >Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
>> >along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
>> >thanks for reading/listening
>> >Chris Cook

Hey Dave, How 'bout curved fret wire that clips into the pre-
drilled holes?

Robin

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@...>
wrote:
>
> Welcome Chris,
>
> I see you play sitar. The curved frets of the sitar helped
convince me
> that a tubular guitar (choob) could work. Although I understand the
> sitar frets are used for melody and almost never for intervals or
chords.
>
> Sitar-like movable frets on the choob would be great, if someone
can
> figure out how to make them easily and cheaply. I keep thinking of
> wire hose-clamps but they always have _two_ wires going around.
>
> -- Dave Keenan
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, CHRIS COOK <remote.control@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > apparently to post on your group I send emails here,
> > so he's my first post!
> > thanks
> > Chris
> >
> > Hello
> > Just to introduce myself to your community. I've been
> > using computers and instruments to realise my music
> > since I finished a degree in Electronic Music in the
> > late 90s. I frequently love to explore the beauties of
> > deviating from equal temperament. I play the sitar,
> > guitar and hammer dulcimer and then manipulate
> > recordings in programs such as sequencer tracker
> > Renoise and object based programming software Max MSP.
> > Well I won't go on about myself because there's a biog
> > along with some mp3s at www.myspace.com/sameactor.
> > thanks for reading/listening
> > Chris Cook
> >
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Perry" <jinto83@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Dave, How 'bout curved fret wire that clips into the pre-
> drilled holes?

Not as adjustable as I had in mind, but yes, you coukd predrill for
something like 53-ET or 72-ET and then choose later where to put the
frets. But without some way of tensioning them they are going to get
nudged back and forth at their midpoints as you play.

I think also of turnbuckles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnbuckle

I wonder what orthodontists use to make braces that can be tightened.

-- Dave