From Joel Mandelbaum through JR

Re the Chicago MicroFest from Joel Mandelbaum:

Of course I would like to submit my 1961 19-tone studies, made for a similar
2-piano performance. The mapping is strange to me...but I’m sure my
Preludes can be adapted...and perhaps I’ll write a few new ones and either add them
or substitute them for already existing ones. My shared notes were C#, D#,
F#, G# and A#. His are C,D,E,G and A. If his E were an F, I could simply
transpose all my pieces down 1/19 octave. With his preferred mapping, the
transposition is a tritone, which would change the basic character of every piece.
Do you think it is too late to suggest that tiny little change? Could you
have him send me application forms, information as to where to send score and
performance copies?

_mjoelm@..._ (mailto:mjoelm@...)

On 4/1/07 11:15 AM, "Afmmjr@..." <Afmmjr@...> wrote:

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com> , "hstraub64" <hstraub64@>
wrote:
>
> > So there is a call for scores?
>
> Yes, there is!
>
> Announcing MidwestMicroFest, the maiden voyage of the quest to make
> one more geographic region of the US more 'micro-aware'!
>
> 2007-10-20 is the date. 7pm. The place is the Mendelsohn gallery
> (perhaps the chapel if the RSVP list grows) of Temple Sholom of
Chicago.
>
> We will be focussing on 19-tone piano music, played on two pianos.
The
> mapping is:
>
> piano 1: C C# D D# E E# F# G G# A A# B
> piano 2: C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb Cb
>
> This is the first 'alternate' (2nd mapping) Jon Wild mentioned. The
> notes are spelled correctly, and I prefer the symmetry, circle of
> fifths wise, to the first version whhich favors flats, that he
mentions.
>
> Start writing!
>
> I am fronting money for the space, tuning of pianos etc. Right now
> there is no grant money or private funding, etc. so I cannot pay you
> to come out. Of course, you are welcome to come and pay your own way
> to Chicago, and you can write it off for tax purposes, too.
>
> Someday, we will grow and have more cash, I'm sure of it.
>
> Best,
> Aaron.

Since multiple mappings were suggested though only one was shown, perhaps
you will forward my C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#-A-A#-B and
Cb-C#-Db-D#-Eb-Fb-F#-Gb-G#-Ab-A#-Bb mapping. I will try to work out as close a variant of his that
would interface with mine as a transposition and send it to you soon. Joel

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Johnny,

Can you tell me how to get in touch with Joel? I'd love to discuss
this further. My thinking is that the mapping(s) suggested by Jon
Wild, including my current favorite, are both more practical and more
symmetrical. The players I'm sure would agree, and my feeling from
talking to a few composers is that they like the current mapping too.
So I'm thinking if he can adapt or write some little piece(s) anew,
that would be best. That said, it would be an honor and an exciting
thing to have some of Joel's music be a part of this event!

-A.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@... wrote:
>
> Re the Chicago MicroFest from Joel Mandelbaum:
>
> Of course I would like to submit my 1961 19-tone studies, made for
a similar
> 2-piano performance. The mapping is strange to me...but I’m sure my
> Preludes can be adapted...and perhaps I’ll write a few new ones
and either add them
> or substitute them for already existing ones. My shared notes were
C#, D#,
> F#, G# and A#. His are C,D,E,G and A. If his E were an F, I could
simply
> transpose all my pieces down 1/19 octave. With his preferred
mapping, the
> transposition is a tritone, which would change the basic character
of every piece.
> Do you think it is too late to suggest that tiny little change?
Could you
> have him send me application forms, information as to where to send
score and
> performance copies?
>
> _mjoelm@..._ (mailto:mjoelm@...)
>
> On 4/1/07 11:15 AM, "Afmmjr@..." <Afmmjr@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com> , "hstraub64" <hstraub64@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > So there is a call for scores?
> >
> > Yes, there is!
> >
> > Announcing MidwestMicroFest, the maiden voyage of the quest to make
> > one more geographic region of the US more 'micro-aware'!
> >
> > 2007-10-20 is the date. 7pm. The place is the Mendelsohn gallery
> > (perhaps the chapel if the RSVP list grows) of Temple Sholom of
> Chicago.
> >
> > We will be focussing on 19-tone piano music, played on two pianos.
> The
> > mapping is:
> >
> > piano 1: C C# D D# E E# F# G G# A A# B
> > piano 2: C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb Cb
> >
> > This is the first 'alternate' (2nd mapping) Jon Wild mentioned. The
> > notes are spelled correctly, and I prefer the symmetry, circle of
> > fifths wise, to the first version whhich favors flats, that he
> mentions.
> >
> > Start writing!
> >
> > I am fronting money for the space, tuning of pianos etc. Right now
> > there is no grant money or private funding, etc. so I cannot pay you
> > to come out. Of course, you are welcome to come and pay your own way
> > to Chicago, and you can write it off for tax purposes, too.
> >
> > Someday, we will grow and have more cash, I'm sure of it.
> >
> > Best,
> > Aaron.
>
> Since multiple mappings were suggested though only one was shown,
perhaps
> you will forward my C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#-A-A#-B and
> Cb-C#-Db-D#-Eb-Fb-F#-Gb-G#-Ab-A#-Bb mapping. I will try to work out
as close a variant of his that
> would interface with mine as a transposition and send it to you
soon. Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Aaron,

(I sent you a private email a few days ago; did you get it?)

I remember noticing when I worked out my notation-preserving layout that
the way it partitioned the 19 pitch-classes was a transposition of the
partitioning in Mandelbaum's thesis - in fact it's just off by 1/19th of
an octave. So the first mapping I suggested could accomodate his pieces,
without having to rescore any material from one piano to the other, if you
just transpose them by 1/19th of an octave. The more symmetrical mapping
you prefer (symmetrical around the C-major diatonic area) is appealing for
its symmetry, it's true, but only to the extent that you think the
all-natural diatonic collection, i.e. C major, is special. (And if you
think C major is special, maybe you would also appreciate having all its
pitches available on one of the pianos.)

Either way, you'll have a practical mapping that will work well--but I
think the opportunity to play some of the Mandelbaum pieces, if you pick
the one that's off by 1/19th from his, is a great one! His book is
important, and I'd guess the pieces never get performed--it would be a
great inauguration of your midwestern microfest.

All the best --Jon

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

>
> Johnny,
>
> Can you tell me how to get in touch with Joel? I'd love to discuss
> this further. My thinking is that the mapping(s) suggested by Jon
> Wild, including my current favorite, are both more practical and more
> symmetrical. The players I'm sure would agree, and my feeling from
> talking to a few composers is that they like the current mapping too.
> So I'm thinking if he can adapt or write some little piece(s) anew,
> that would be best. That said, it would be an honor and an exciting
> thing to have some of Joel's music be a part of this event!
>
> -A.
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@... wrote:
>>
>> Re the Chicago MicroFest from Joel Mandelbaum:
>>
>> Of course I would like to submit my 1961 19-tone studies, made for
> a similar
>> 2-piano performance. The mapping is strange to me...but I’m sure my
>> Preludes can be adapted...and perhaps I’ll write a few new ones
> and either add them
>> or substitute them for already existing ones. My shared notes were
> C#, D#,
>> F#, G# and A#. His are C,D,E,G and A. If his E were an F, I could
> simply
>> transpose all my pieces down 1/19 octave. With his preferred
> mapping, the
>> transposition is a tritone, which would change the basic character
> of every piece.
>> Do you think it is too late to suggest that tiny little change?
> Could you
>> have him send me application forms, information as to where to send
> score and
>> performance copies?
>>
>> _mjoelm@..._ (mailto:mjoelm@...)
>>
>> On 4/1/07 11:15 AM, "Afmmjr@..." <Afmmjr@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com> , "hstraub64" <hstraub64@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So there is a call for scores?
>>>
>>> Yes, there is!
>>>
>>> Announcing MidwestMicroFest, the maiden voyage of the quest to make
>>> one more geographic region of the US more 'micro-aware'!
>>>
>>> 2007-10-20 is the date. 7pm. The place is the Mendelsohn gallery
>>> (perhaps the chapel if the RSVP list grows) of Temple Sholom of
>> Chicago.
>>>
>>> We will be focussing on 19-tone piano music, played on two pianos.
>> The
>>> mapping is:
>>>
>>> piano 1: C C# D D# E E# F# G G# A A# B
>>> piano 2: C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb Cb
>>>
>>> This is the first 'alternate' (2nd mapping) Jon Wild mentioned. The
>>> notes are spelled correctly, and I prefer the symmetry, circle of
>>> fifths wise, to the first version whhich favors flats, that he
>> mentions.
>>>
>>> Start writing!
>>>
>>> I am fronting money for the space, tuning of pianos etc. Right now
>>> there is no grant money or private funding, etc. so I cannot pay you
>>> to come out. Of course, you are welcome to come and pay your own way
>>> to Chicago, and you can write it off for tax purposes, too.
>>>
>>> Someday, we will grow and have more cash, I'm sure of it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Aaron.
>>
>> Since multiple mappings were suggested though only one was shown,
> perhaps
>> you will forward my C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#-A-A#-B and
>> Cb-C#-Db-D#-Eb-Fb-F#-Gb-G#-Ab-A#-Bb mapping. I will try to work out
> as close a variant of his that
>> would interface with mine as a transposition and send it to you
> soon. Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>

--
Jon Wild
Assistant Professor
Schulich School of Music
McGill University
(514) 398-4400 ex.089605

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

there is allot to be said about not playing in C. or near it. One of the most trouble i finds with bands is their lack of exploring other key centers beside the basic few.
It has a certain freshness when a band goes beyond the normal, even with the all too often banal music.
It works on me at least

Jon Wild wrote:
>
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> (I sent you a private email a few days ago; did you get it?)
>
> I remember noticing when I worked out my notation-preserving layout that
> the way it partitioned the 19 pitch-classes was a transposition of the
> partitioning in Mandelbaum's thesis - in fact it's just off by 1/19th of
> an octave. So the first mapping I suggested could accomodate his pieces,
> without having to rescore any material from one piano to the other, if > you
> just transpose them by 1/19th of an octave. The more symmetrical mapping
> you prefer (symmetrical around the C-major diatonic area) is appealing > for
> its symmetry, it's true, but only to the extent that you think the
> all-natural diatonic collection, i.e. C major, is special. (And if you
> think C major is special, maybe you would also appreciate having all its
> pitches available on one of the pianos.)
>
> Either way, you'll have a practical mapping that will work well--but I
> think the opportunity to play some of the Mandelbaum pieces, if you pick
> the one that's off by 1/19th from his, is a great one! His book is
> important, and I'd guess the pieces never get performed--it would be a
> great inauguration of your midwestern microfest.
>
> All the best --Jon
>
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > Johnny,
> >
> > Can you tell me how to get in touch with Joel? I'd love to discuss
> > this further. My thinking is that the mapping(s) suggested by Jon
> > Wild, including my current favorite, are both more practical and more
> > symmetrical. The players I'm sure would agree, and my feeling from
> > talking to a few composers is that they like the current mapping too.
> > So I'm thinking if he can adapt or write some little piece(s) anew,
> > that would be best. That said, it would be an honor and an exciting
> > thing to have some of Joel's music be a part of this event!
> >
> > -A.
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>, Afmmjr@... wrote:
> >>
> >> Re the Chicago MicroFest from Joel Mandelbaum:
> >>
> >> Of course I would like to submit my 1961 19-tone studies, made for
> > a similar
> >> 2-piano performance. The mapping is strange to me...but I’m sure my
> >> Preludes can be adapted...and perhaps I’ll write a few new ones
> > and either add them
> >> or substitute them for already existing ones. My shared notes were
> > C#, D#,
> >> F#, G# and A#. His are C,D,E,G and A. If his E were an F, I could
> > simply
> >> transpose all my pieces down 1/19 octave. With his preferred
> > mapping, the
> >> transposition is a tritone, which would change the basic character
> > of every piece.
> >> Do you think it is too late to suggest that tiny little change?
> > Could you
> >> have him send me application forms, information as to where to send
> > score and
> >> performance copies?
> >>
> >> _mjoelm@..._ (mailto:mjoelm@...)
> >>
> >> On 4/1/07 11:15 AM, "Afmmjr@..." <Afmmjr@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com> , "hstraub64" <hstraub64@>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So there is a call for scores?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, there is!
> >>>
> >>> Announcing MidwestMicroFest, the maiden voyage of the quest to make
> >>> one more geographic region of the US more 'micro-aware'!
> >>>
> >>> 2007-10-20 is the date. 7pm. The place is the Mendelsohn gallery
> >>> (perhaps the chapel if the RSVP list grows) of Temple Sholom of
> >> Chicago.
> >>>
> >>> We will be focussing on 19-tone piano music, played on two pianos.
> >> The
> >>> mapping is:
> >>>
> >>> piano 1: C C# D D# E E# F# G G# A A# B
> >>> piano 2: C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb Cb
> >>>
> >>> This is the first 'alternate' (2nd mapping) Jon Wild mentioned. The
> >>> notes are spelled correctly, and I prefer the symmetry, circle of
> >>> fifths wise, to the first version whhich favors flats, that he
> >> mentions.
> >>>
> >>> Start writing!
> >>>
> >>> I am fronting money for the space, tuning of pianos etc. Right now
> >>> there is no grant money or private funding, etc. so I cannot pay you
> >>> to come out. Of course, you are welcome to come and pay your own way
> >>> to Chicago, and you can write it off for tax purposes, too.
> >>>
> >>> Someday, we will grow and have more cash, I'm sure of it.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Aaron.
> >>
> >> Since multiple mappings were suggested though only one was shown,
> > perhaps
> >> you will forward my C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G-G#-A-A#-B and
> >> Cb-C#-Db-D#-Eb-Fb-F#-Gb-G#-Ab-A#-Bb mapping. I will try to work out
> > as close a variant of his that
> >> would interface with mine as a transposition and send it to you
> > soon. Joel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ************************************** See what's free at
> > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- > Jon Wild
> Assistant Professor
> Schulich School of Music
> McGill University
> (514) 398-4400 ex.089605
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> -- Kraig Grady
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