Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic call for switching to Google Groups

Moderators and gentle members,

I would like to suggest we again consider moving this
list to Google Groups. It is much-improved since we last
tried it. For one thing, groups can be set to use
plain text, so that text diagrams appear on the web as
intended. Also:

* I strongly doubt Google lets their groups be used for
spamming. All three ISPs I've used to host my e-mail
in the last 3 years have at some point (usually repeatedly)
blocked incoming mail from Yahoo! Groups, causing me
to miss messages. I don't think I'm the only person
affected by this.

* I strongly doubt Google has ongoing problems with
delayed/missing messages for _years_.

* I strongly doubt Google delivers 20 copies of messages
because they 'pushed a fix for the delayed-messages
problem that wasn't fully tested'.

What does anybody think?

http://groups.google.com

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

Hmm... are polls turned off for MMM?

-Carl

At 09:13 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>Moderators and gentle members,
>
>I would like to suggest we again consider moving this
>list to Google Groups. It is much-improved since we last
>tried it. For one thing, groups can be set to use
>plain text, so that text diagrams appear on the web as
>intended. Also:
>
>* I strongly doubt Google lets their groups be used for
>spamming. All three ISPs I've used to host my e-mail
>in the last 3 years have at some point (usually repeatedly)
>blocked incoming mail from Yahoo! Groups, causing me
>to miss messages. I don't think I'm the only person
>affected by this.
>
>* I strongly doubt Google has ongoing problems with
>delayed/missing messages for _years_.
>
>* I strongly doubt Google delivers 20 copies of messages
>because they 'pushed a fix for the delayed-messages
>problem that wasn't fully tested'.
>
>What does anybody think?
>
>http://groups.google.com
>
>-Carl

🔗Joe <tamahome02000@...>

Isn't google groups just an interface to Usenet NNTP newsgroups?

Joe

----- Original Message ----
From: Carl Lumma <ekin@...>
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 12:13:04 PM
Subject: [MMM] call for switching to Google Groups

Moderators and gentle members,

* I strongly doubt Google has ongoing problems with
delayed/missing messages for _years_.

* I strongly doubt Google delivers 20 copies of messages
because they 'pushed a fix for the delayed-messages
problem that wasn't fully tested'.

What does anybody think?

http://groups. google.com

-Carl

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🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

At 09:45 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>Isn't google groups just an interface to Usenet NNTP newsgroups?

Seriously, check it out. The moderator interface is way nicer
than Yahoo's, too.

Aaron spearheaded a push to move the list there several years ago,
but they didn't have a plain-text mode so I couldn't get behind
it 100%. But they've completely redesigned their service twice
since then.

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

i found it almost impossible to deal with last time. too convoluted and also you would lose the connection with thew main list

Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> Moderators and gentle members,
>
> I would like to suggest we again consider moving this
> list to Google Groups. It is much-improved since we last
> tried it. For one thing, groups can be set to use
> plain text, so that text diagrams appear on the web as
> intended. Also:
>
> * I strongly doubt Google lets their groups be used for
> spamming. All three ISPs I've used to host my e-mail
> in the last 3 years have at some point (usually repeatedly)
> blocked incoming mail from Yahoo! Groups, causing me
> to miss messages. I don't think I'm the only person
> affected by this.
>
> * I strongly doubt Google has ongoing problems with
> delayed/missing messages for _years_.
>
> * I strongly doubt Google delivers 20 copies of messages
> because they 'pushed a fix for the delayed-messages
> problem that wasn't fully tested'.
>
> What does anybody think?
>
> http://groups.google.com <http://groups.google.com>
>
> -Carl
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

At 10:17 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>i found it almost impossible to deal with last time. too convoluted and
>also you would lose the connection with thew main list

I had trouble with it last time, too. But it's been completely
redesigned now, and it looks much better.

I'm not sure what you mean by connection... the archives would
be "forked". That is, if you wanted to search for an old post,
you'd have two places to look instead of one. I agree that's
a drawback.

-Carl

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

i don't get that much spam either

Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> At 10:17 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
> >i found it almost impossible to deal with last time. too convoluted and
> >also you would lose the connection with thew main list
>
> I had trouble with it last time, too. But it's been completely
> redesigned now, and it looks much better.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by connection... the archives would
> be "forked". That is, if you wanted to search for an old post,
> you'd have two places to look instead of one. I agree that's
> a drawback.
>
> -Carl
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

Kraig Grady wrote:

>i don't get that much spam either
>
>
I get spam, but it has nothing to do with any list I'm on or any listing of my email address anywhere.

I get it because "they" hammer my domain (biink.com) with email. Most of it isnt even addressed to me,
but I get it through a catch all account.

Google grps gets my vote for any tuning lists.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

I'd be all for it!!

Chris Bryan

On 02/04/07, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> i don't get that much spam either
>
> Carl Lumma wrote:
> >
> > At 10:17 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
> > >i found it almost impossible to deal with last time. too convoluted and
> > >also you would lose the connection with thew main list
> >
> > I had trouble with it last time, too. But it's been completely
> > redesigned now, and it looks much better.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean by connection... the archives would
> > be "forked". That is, if you wanted to search for an old post,
> > you'd have two places to look instead of one. I agree that's
> > a drawback.
> >
> > -Carl
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles
>
>

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acht Rí secht nime.

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

How ironic. I pushed for this years ago, but my calls fell on deaf ears.

-Aaron.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> Moderators and gentle members,
>
> I would like to suggest we again consider moving this
> list to Google Groups. It is much-improved since we last
> tried it. For one thing, groups can be set to use
> plain text, so that text diagrams appear on the web as
> intended. Also:
>
> * I strongly doubt Google lets their groups be used for
> spamming. All three ISPs I've used to host my e-mail
> in the last 3 years have at some point (usually repeatedly)
> blocked incoming mail from Yahoo! Groups, causing me
> to miss messages. I don't think I'm the only person
> affected by this.
>
> * I strongly doubt Google has ongoing problems with
> delayed/missing messages for _years_.
>
> * I strongly doubt Google delivers 20 copies of messages
> because they 'pushed a fix for the delayed-messages
> problem that wasn't fully tested'.
>
> What does anybody think?
>
> http://groups.google.com
>
> -Carl
>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:

> Aaron spearheaded a push to move the list there several years ago,
> but they didn't have a plain-text mode so I couldn't get behind
> it 100%. But they've completely redesigned their service twice
> since then.

Ah! I see you noted my earlier push here...sorry for bitching a few
seconds ago.

Of course, I'm all for the move. Another irony---my big reason then
was the search capabilities of Yahoo were nil. Now Yahoo has fixed
that, so I'm ok with Yahoo...so it in truth doesn't make a big
difference to me anymore.

-A.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

At 10:49 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>i don't get that much spam either

The problem I'm having is, my ISP thinks anything
from Yahoo Groups is spam, and starts bouncing messages,
and then message delivery gets turned off, then I miss
messages and have to "unbounce" my address.

My previous ISP made a special exception to let Yahoo
Groups stuff through no matter what. We'll see what
my current ISP does.

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

At 02:00 PM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>How ironic. I pushed for this years ago, but my calls fell on deaf ears.
>
>-Aaron.

Not deaf. I checked it out, but I didn't think it was quite up
to snuff at the time. Things have changed. It's a completely
different application now.

Don't let your past get you down. Support the movement today!

-Carl