SonicBirth: Roll your own plugins, modify others to do what you want

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/20/diy-mac-plug-ins-with-sonicbirth-now-open-source-cdm-sb-community/

Interesting to see how well it would work as far as making a
non-microtunable (Mac-only) VST or AU plugin into a tunable plugin.

Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows idea of
the same thing. Drag n' drop & make your own synth. It seems very
popular. There may be free modules for tuning; I'm not sure.

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Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <phv40@...>
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http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/20/diy-mac-plug-ins-with-sonicbirt\
h-now-open-source-cdm-sb-community/
>
> Interesting to see how well it would work as far as making a
> non-microtunable (Mac-only) VST or AU plugin into a tunable plugin.
>

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Where's David Beardsley when you need him?

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
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> Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows idea of

So can you use SynthEdit to add tuning facilities or other new
functionalisty to _existing_ plugins like SonicBirth claims for Mac OS?

Yes, if you can get the source file for it. I think the extension is .se1.

Joe

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> Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows idea of

So can you use SynthEdit to add tuning facilities or other new
functionalisty to _existing_ plugins like SonicBirth claims for Mac OS?

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Really??? So you can use SynthEdit to add microtuning support to the
VST version of Crystal? What about _commercial_ VSTs? Getting the
source for them would be tricky, wouldn't it?

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Joe <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
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> Yes, if you can get the source file for it. I think the extension
is .se1.
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> Joe
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> > Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows
idea of
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> So can you use SynthEdit to add tuning facilities or other new
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It would have to be synths made with synthedit.

Joe

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:39:29 AM
Subject: [MMM] Re: SonicBirth: Roll your own plugins, modify others to do what you want

Really??? So you can use SynthEdit to add microtuning support to the
VST version of Crystal? What about _commercial_ VSTs? Getting the
source for them would be tricky, wouldn't it?

--- In MakeMicroMusic@ yahoogroups. com, Joe <tamahome02000@ ...> wrote:
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> Yes, if you can get the source file for it. I think the extension
is .se1.
>
> Joe
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> > Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows
idea of
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> So can you use SynthEdit to add tuning facilities or other new
> functionalisty to _existing_ plugins like SonicBirth claims for Mac OS?
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Then SynthEdit isn't really the same.

SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing
plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance
over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Joe <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
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> It would have to be synths made with synthedit.
>
> Joe
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> To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:39:29 AM
> Subject: [MMM] Re: SonicBirth: Roll your own plugins, modify others
to do what you want
>
> Really??? So you can use SynthEdit to add microtuning support to the
> VST version of Crystal? What about _commercial_ VSTs? Getting the
> source for them would be tricky, wouldn't it?
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@ yahoogroups. com, Joe <tamahome02000@ ...> wrote:
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> > Yes, if you can get the source file for it. I think the extension
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> > > Here's an oreilly 3 part lesson on using synthedit, the windows
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Paolo,

Before everyone gets completely enamored, it would be good if someone - why not *you*? - would actually try doing a modification on an existing plugin. For instance, you note:

{you wrote...}
>SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.

"Supposed to", which is a key phrase. On the main development page, it says:

"You can also use it to modify the behavior of third party AudioUnits by automatically modifying its parameters or by adding processing elements on its inputs or outputs."

So all that says to me is that you are going to have to take the output of a module and try and retune it - it doesn't appear that you actually can get into the guts of an existing plug and modify the areas that generate the frequencies, and therefore alter it into microtonal useage.

Don't get me wrong, it looks like a very good thing indeed. But it doesn't look like a panacea either, in terms of tuning existing plugs.

Cheers,
Jon

At 08:14 AM 3/21/2007, you wrote:
>Then SynthEdit isn't really the same.
>
>SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing
>plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance
>over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.

Where are you getting your information on SonicBirth's tuning
support, and ability to add it to any AU plugin?

-Carl

Hi Jon,

Why not me?

Because I have an idea for another project that is related to synths
and tuning. But that calls for a different Subject: line.

Joe, I'm guessing, thought it as just another plugin-building kit like
SynthEdit, but the wrapper idea is something that SynthEdit doesn't
have. I haven't seen if there already is some kind of MIDI to
frequency module/circuit in there yet, but since it's open-source I
suppose it can be added by anyone at anytime.

I posted the link here in case someone might find a use for it.

Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Paolo,
>
> Before everyone gets completely enamored, it would be good if
someone - why not *you*? - would actually try doing a modification on
an existing plugin. For instance, you note:
>
> {you wrote...}
> >SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing
plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance
over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.
>
> "Supposed to", which is a key phrase. On the main development page,
it says:
>
> "You can also use it to modify the behavior of third party
AudioUnits by automatically modifying its parameters or by adding
processing elements on its inputs or outputs."
>
> So all that says to me is that you are going to have to take the
output of a module and try and retune it - it doesn't appear that you
actually can get into the guts of an existing plug and modify the
areas that generate the frequencies, and therefore alter it into
microtonal useage.
>
> Don't get me wrong, it looks like a very good thing indeed. But it
doesn't look like a panacea either, in terms of tuning existing plugs.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> At 08:14 AM 3/21/2007, you wrote:
> >Then SynthEdit isn't really the same.
> >
> >SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing
> >plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance
> >over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.
>
> Where are you getting your information on SonicBirth's tuning
> support, and ability to add it to any AU plugin?

I don't recall mentioning tuning support coming with SonicBirth, but
if I somehow misled you, I apologize.

Hi Paolo,

I didn't want you to get the wrong idea, that I don't appreciate people posting information like this! I just think it is also good to try and focus some of these things, and trying them out is one very good way to do that. Sorry if it came off as not being nice. :)

{you wrote...}
>Why not me?

That was somewhat rhetorical, because it could be *anyone* on the Mac platform - since I'm not, I can't verify these claims myself, and therefore vouch for the usefulness of the tool.

If all it does is take an existing module and allow you to either interact with the interface/controls, and/or modify the inputs/outputs in some fashion, these things can be done in Bidule and EnergyXT. That said, SonicBirth seems like it would be a good thing to investigate for those on the Mac side. I just may get a Mac this year...

Cheers,
Jon

FYI, here's a tuning module for synthedit, but the author wants at least a 19 euro (25$) donation:

http://www.oblivionom.com/ccode.html

Joe

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:13:31 PM
Subject: [MMM] Re: SonicBirth: Roll your own plugins, modify others to do what you want

--- In MakeMicroMusic@ yahoogroups. com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> At 08:14 AM 3/21/2007, you wrote:
> >Then SynthEdit isn't really the same.
> >
> >SonicBirth is supposed to let you add functionality to existing
> >plugins _whether developed in SonicBirth or not_. This is an advance
> >over other "build your own" tools like SynthEdit, Pd, Bidule, etc.
>
> Where are you getting your information on SonicBirth's tuning
> support, and ability to add it to any AU plugin?

I don't recall mentioning tuning support coming with SonicBirth, but
if I somehow misled you, I apologize.

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Jon,

No worries. The object of my synth focus at the moment is my newly
acquired Nord Modular G2X. There are some 3rd-party external software
tools for converting patches to G2 patches. For example, there is a
tool loads Yamaha DX7 patches and exports them to .pch files which can
then be loaded into the G2 Editor. So it occured to me, why not
create a tool that loads Scala files and generates patches from them?

There is a slightly larger scale project, the "G2ools" project, that
works on an app suite that includes a DX-G2 patch converter as well as
a "G1" to G2 patch converter. Their development language of choice is
Python. That's the group I want to hook up with, in the hope of
avoiding reinventing any wheels. The existing microtuning patch for
the G2 is, I believe, limited to 12 notes/octave, and each note must
be tuned by hand. I think it uses specific oscillator settings too,
so some refactoring of that patch is likely needed.

Paolo

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paolo,
>
> I didn't want you to get the wrong idea, that I don't appreciate
people posting information like this! I just think it is also good to
try and focus some of these things, and trying them out is one very
good way to do that. Sorry if it came off as not being nice. :)
>
> {you wrote...}
> >Why not me?
>
> That was somewhat rhetorical, because it could be *anyone* on the
Mac platform - since I'm not, I can't verify these claims myself, and
therefore vouch for the usefulness of the tool.
>
> If all it does is take an existing module and allow you to either
interact with the interface/controls, and/or modify the inputs/outputs
in some fashion, these things can be done in Bidule and EnergyXT. That
said, SonicBirth seems like it would be a good thing to investigate
for those on the Mac side. I just may get a Mac this year...
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>