5/4

> > And there's no wanna-be 5/4, what a relief! :-)
>
> I'm curious from whence comes the fashionable hatred of this
> interval?
>
> -A.

> Hahaha! I am not aware of any fashion for hating 5/4, nor do I
> hate
> this lovely interval. Your comment is a classic case of the
> "straw
> man".

Isn't La Monte Young famous for disliking the 5-limit?

And he is the King of Fashion.

On 2/12/07, Christopher Bailey <chris@...> wrote:
> Isn't La Monte Young famous for disliking the 5-limit?
>
> And he is the King of Fashion.

LOL, 5/4 is officially the loser of the simple intervals.

What's Hot: 9/7
What's Not: 5/4
Hot: 6:7:9
Not: 4:5:6
Hot: Superpythagorean
Not: Meantone

5/4 is, like, so 16th century. I wouldn't be caught dead using it. =P

Keenan

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
<keenanpepper@...> wrote:
>
> On 2/12/07, Christopher Bailey <chris@...> wrote:
> > Isn't La Monte Young famous for disliking the 5-limit?
> >
> > And he is the King of Fashion.
>
> LOL, 5/4 is officially the loser of the simple intervals.
>
> What's Hot: 9/7
> What's Not: 5/4
> Hot: 6:7:9
> Not: 4:5:6
> Hot: Superpythagorean
> Not: Meantone
>
> 5/4 is, like, so 16th century. I wouldn't be caught dead using it.

This is a riot, Kennan, and is true--in spite of people pretending
otherwise, 5/4 is so out of fashion around these parts.

Never fear, there will be a resurgance of interest in the 5-limit. The
pendulum still swings.

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
> <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
> > 5/4 is, like, so 16th century. I wouldn't be caught dead using it.

On 2/12/07, Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...> wrote:
> This is a riot, Kennan, and is true--in spite of people pretending
> otherwise, 5/4 is so out of fashion around these parts.
>
> Never fear, there will be a resurgance of interest in the 5-limit. The
> pendulum still swings.

I always feel like I could use more 5/3 in my writing.

And what's so wrong with the 3 limit? It seems like there's no abuse
that isn't fashionable to heap upon the poor 3-limit, twisting it
beyond recognition in the name of far less satisfying 5s, 7s, and even
11s. I say no more! We must take back our parallel fifths, our
suspended fourths, and our sweet, sweet 9ths.

--Tristan
http://dolor-sit-amet.deviantart.com

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
<aaron@...> wrote:

> This is a riot, Kennan, and is true--in spite of people pretending
> otherwise, 5/4 is so out of fashion around these parts.

Well, I insist on it. But I insist on 3/2 and 7/4 also, with higher
limits optional. Still, I have to agree that no-fives seems more
popular that no-threes, and I wonder if I should do some no-threes
stuff just because it never seems to get done by anyone. Of course no-
twos, which I think is outright bizarre, is popular also. Go figure.

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
> <aaron@> wrote:
>
> > This is a riot, Kennan, and is true--in spite of people
pretending
> > otherwise, 5/4 is so out of fashion around these parts.

What a bummer, I guess I'll have to dump all this enharmonic genus
stuff which hammers away on 5/4.

A patently plastic bouquet you guys are trying to sell us here- if
you love 5/4 so much, as I do, why do you insult it
with "approximations"? If you want 5/4, use 5/4. :-P

-Cameron Bobro

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Cameron Bobro"
<misterbobro@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
> > <aaron@> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a riot, Kennan, and is true--in spite of people
> pretending
> > > otherwise, 5/4 is so out of fashion around these parts.
>
> What a bummer, I guess I'll have to dump all this enharmonic genus
> stuff which hammers away on 5/4.
>
> A patently plastic bouquet you guys are trying to sell us here- if
> you love 5/4 so much, as I do, why do you insult it
> with "approximations"? If you want 5/4, use 5/4. :-P

Well, I'll give two answers:

1) This is MMM, and a lot of hot air from everyone, me included, is
par-for-the-course!

2) We can use 5/4, but we insult 3/2 if we insist on our '9/8' being
the same pitch for a ii as well as V chords....etc,etc,etc....'nuff
said...let's not start another dumb 'temperament vs JI' war, please,
please,please? In the interest of making EVERYBODY happy:
2a) JI is great.
2b) temperament is great.

Anyone who adds anything to this is going to be placed under house
arrest for trolling!

-A.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Cameron Bobro"
<misterbobro@...> wrote:

> A patently plastic bouquet you guys are trying to sell us here- if
> you love 5/4 so much, as I do, why do you insult it
> with "approximations"? If you want 5/4, use 5/4. :-P

Why? It sounds just fine detuned by a cent or so.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> ... Still, I have to agree that no-fives seems more
> popular that no-threes, and I wonder if I should do
> some no-threes stuff just because it never seems to
> get done by anyone.

As i recently said in on another list (i think it was
tuning-math), in your thread listing all the triads
in meantone, in jazz harmony no-threes is done all
the time by everyone -- it's actually standard procedure.
All that's necessary for every basic jazz chord is the
root, 3rd, and 7th.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:

> As i recently said in on another list (i think it was
> tuning-math), in your thread listing all the triads
> in meantone, in jazz harmony no-threes is done all
> the time by everyone -- it's actually standard procedure.
> All that's necessary for every basic jazz chord is the
> root, 3rd, and 7th.

That's not the same as no-threes; no-threes means you *never* use a
4/3, 3/2, 9/4 etc.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
>
> > As i recently said in on another list (i think it was
> > tuning-math), in your thread listing all the triads
> > in meantone, in jazz harmony no-threes is done all
> > the time by everyone -- it's actually standard procedure.
> > All that's necessary for every basic jazz chord is the
> > root, 3rd, and 7th.
>
> That's not the same as no-threes; no-threes means you
> *never* use a 4/3, 3/2, 9/4 etc.

OK, well then you got me there, because for sure in jazz
the roots of chords are constantly moving up-a-4th,
down-a-5th, and that's nothing but threes.

But still, it is interesting to me that the harmony
normally eschews threes as chord members.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software