37

BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
current age, I'll be 74!

I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
compositional exercise?

-A.

>BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
>current age, I'll be 74!
>
>I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
>until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
>avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
>compositional exercise?
>
>-A.

37 is an interesting tuning. Happy birthday by the way. That
sounds like a great exercise; I have 3 months before I miss out
on 29.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
<aaron@...> wrote:
>
> BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
> current age, I'll be 74!
>
> I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
> until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
> avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
> compositional exercise?
>
> -A.
>

Golly. As I read this I'm noodling at 21 frantically trying to come
up with something in the next two months. Originally the idea was to
do 21 pieces in 21, but...whoo ain't gonna happen.

how about a just 37 tones scale and recurrent sequence scale that forms a 37 tone scale and a one more you would have to write one in between each solstice and equinox

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
> current age, I'll be 74!
>
> I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
> until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
> avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
> compositional exercise?
>
> -A.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

HAPPY BIRTHDAY i think we should have birth week or at least a birth weekend!

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
> current age, I'll be 74!
>
> I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
> until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
> avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
> compositional exercise?
>
> -A.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> >BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
> >current age, I'll be 74!
> >
> >I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
> >until I leave Earth.
>
> 37 is an interesting tuning. Happy birthday by the way. That
> sounds like a great exercise; I have 3 months before I miss out
> on 29.
>
> -Carl
>

Yikes! I've just realized I only have 40 days until I'm done with 53,
my favorite equal temperment. Since I missed 17, 19, 22, and 31 by a
few decades, this is my last chance until 72 for a temperment that
likes my favorite ratios. Better get busy.

Prent

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Prent Rodgers"
<prentrodgers@...> wrote:

> Yikes! I've just realized I only have 40 days until I'm done with 53,
> my favorite equal temperment. Since I missed 17, 19, 22, and 31 by a
> few decades, this is my last chance until 72 for a temperment that
> likes my favorite ratios. Better get busy.

Since you missed 17 and 34, I suggest you make up for it with 68.

>BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
>current age, I'll be 74!
>
>I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
>until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
>avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
>compositional exercise?
>
>-A.

My first thought was "Life's too short for that". ;-)
For Edwin London's 65th b-day I did a setting of "Happy Birthday to you" entirely in 6-5 chords. If you didn't want to put tons of creative energy into the project (and didn't much care about the HIll sisters' copyright) , you could arrange "HBTY" in the EDO of your age. I hear that 110 EDO is a wonderful tuning (not as good as 220, shocking as that might seem)...:-)...and I hope somebody rents out Carnegie for the premiere.

Happy day, young whippersnapper!

--
Jeffrey Quick
http://blog.case.edu/jeffrey.quick

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> BTW, I turned 37 today. Getting up there. When my daughter is my
> current age, I'll be 74!
> > I had this idea that I should try and write a piece in the age I'm at
> until I leave Earth. Force me to confront tunings I would normally
> avoid (I guess mosty 'cause they lack good fifths) that way. A good
> compositional exercise?

Well, it would be, if your age happens to be 37. Besides being a porcupine temperament, 37-ET has excellent approximations of the 11th and 13th harmonics. It has a 12-note MOS of the passion temperament, which could be useful for converting ideas from 12-ET, and it also tempers out the W�rschmidt comma if that's at all useful.

I actually had a similar idea once; I wrote something with a meter of 21/16 back when I was 21. I wasn't yet doing anything with alternative tuning. But as it happens, my favorite retuning of Galticeran, written at the same time, is the one in 21-ET.

http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/Galticeran21.mid

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Quick <jaq@...> wrote:

> I hear that 110 EDO is a wonderful tuning (not as good as 220,
> shocking as that might seem)...:-)...and I hope somebody rents out
> Carnegie for the premiere.

I've been thinking about 111-et a lot recently. If you are a hobbit,
that's an important birthday. Where did you hear nice things about 110?

On 03/02/07, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> 37 is an interesting tuning. Happy birthday by the way. That
> sounds like a great exercise; I have 3 months before I miss out
> on 29.

I wanted to write something in mystery when I was 29. I gave it a
good shot the night before my birthday but couldn't get it finished.
And I really did have to leave it because I was busy. I also tried to
write a set of 5 pieces in pentatonics in 2005 but still haven't
finished the first one. And missed out on 31 in the process.

Graham

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...>
wrote:

> I wanted to write something in mystery when I was 29. I gave it a
> good shot the night before my birthday but couldn't get it finished.
> And I really did have to leave it because I was busy. I also tried to
> write a set of 5 pieces in pentatonics in 2005 but still haven't
> finished the first one. And missed out on 31 in the process.

I feel your pain. Monz has me down as an advocate of 58, even though
I've never written anything in 58, and it didn't occur to me that age
was a good excuse. However, in the light of your contemplating mystery
in connection with your 29th birthday, not to mention Paul using his
girlfriend's birthday as a reason, I think I'm putting down this 118
thing under the 59 column.

Of course, I expect everyone who reaches eleventy-one (111) to do
something in that, plus have a gala party with fireworks.

Hi Gene,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> I feel your pain. Monz has me down as an advocate of 58,
> even though I've never written anything in 58, and it
> didn't occur to me that age was a good excuse.

Oops. Sorry, don't know where i got that info, but i'll
take it out ... unless you do plan to use 58.

Since i'm going to update the Equal Temperament page,
Gene, would you please review all the EDOs i have you
listed under, and give me an updated list in case i
need to include more? Thanks.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:

> Oops. Sorry, don't know where i got that info, but i'll
> take it out ... unless you do plan to use 58.

I'm thinking of getting around to 58 someday. Both Graham and I have
discussed it.

> Since i'm going to update the Equal Temperament page,
> Gene, would you please review all the EDOs i have you
> listed under, and give me an updated list in case i
> need to include more? Thanks.

I don't know what the criterion is for advocacy. Does writing music
in it count? There are some divisions I think I was the first to
really notice, like 311 and 494, which so far as I know no one has
tried actually writing in. What about use of a scale division as a
way to tune a temperament, which is how I used 441?

Ignoring my experimentation in the last century, I've written in 41,
46, 53, 72, 99, 130, 171, 175, 224, and 441. I've messed about with
some others, notably 270, without liking the result well enough to
make it public. I have a piece up in 36, but it's a mathematical
transformation of something by Josquin des Prez.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Prent Rodgers"
<prentrodgers@...> wrote:

> Yikes! I've just realized I only have 40 days until I'm done with 53,
> my favorite equal temperment. Since I missed 17, 19, 22, and 31 by a
> few decades, this is my last chance until 72 for a temperment that
> likes my favorite ratios. Better get busy.

A great idea for a change of pace from your usual JI.

Notable MOS scales:

Orwell 12/53 9, 13, 22

Hanson/Keemun/Catakleismic 14/53 7, 11, 15, 19

Schismatic/Garibaldi 31/53 7, 12, 17, 29

Hi Gene (and everyone),

Referring to the list of advocates on my Encyclopedia
page on "Equal Temperament":

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/e/equal-temperament.aspx

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> I don't know what the criterion is for advocacy. Does
> writing music in it count? There are some divisions I
> think I was the first to really notice, like 311 and 494,
> which so far as I know no one has tried actually writing
> in. What about use of a scale division as a way to tune
> a temperament, which is how I used 441?

I've made my criteria for advocacy general enough to
encompass all of the above.

> Ignoring my experimentation in the last century, I've
> written in 41, 46, 53, 72, 99, 130, 171, 175, 224, and
> 441. I've messed about with some others, notably 270,
> without liking the result well enough to make it public.
> I have a piece up in 36, but it's a mathematical
> transformation of something by Josquin des Prez.

Take a look: i already have you listed under 27, 58, 65,
80, 81, 87, 99, 111, 130, 140, 224, 311, 441, 494, 612,
2460, 3125, and 46032. If any of these should be eliminated,
please let me know. Also, if you can provide more info for
any of them, please do -- some of the listings just give
a date and your name with nothing else.

I'd like differentiate between those you've actually
used for compositions and those you've only written
about, and also to include as much detail as i can
about why you use or advocate an ET.

As for the former subject line here, are you now advocating
37, or not?

Let this also be an encouragement to everyone else to take
a look at that webpage and provide their own info if
it's missing.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

I'd find much more beneficial than a list of advocates a list of
pieces of music using each tuning. This could be an additional list,
one which I was thinking of starting on da wiki...

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gene (and everyone),
>
>
> Referring to the list of advocates on my Encyclopedia
> page on "Equal Temperament":
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/enc/e/equal-temperament.aspx
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
> <genewardsmith@> wrote:
>
> > I don't know what the criterion is for advocacy. Does
> > writing music in it count? There are some divisions I
> > think I was the first to really notice, like 311 and 494,
> > which so far as I know no one has tried actually writing
> > in. What about use of a scale division as a way to tune
> > a temperament, which is how I used 441?
>
>
> I've made my criteria for advocacy general enough to
> encompass all of the above.
>
>
> > Ignoring my experimentation in the last century, I've
> > written in 41, 46, 53, 72, 99, 130, 171, 175, 224, and
> > 441. I've messed about with some others, notably 270,
> > without liking the result well enough to make it public.
> > I have a piece up in 36, but it's a mathematical
> > transformation of something by Josquin des Prez.
>
>
>
> Take a look: i already have you listed under 27, 58, 65,
> 80, 81, 87, 99, 111, 130, 140, 224, 311, 441, 494, 612,
> 2460, 3125, and 46032. If any of these should be eliminated,
> please let me know. Also, if you can provide more info for
> any of them, please do -- some of the listings just give
> a date and your name with nothing else.
>
> I'd like differentiate between those you've actually
> used for compositions and those you've only written
> about, and also to include as much detail as i can
> about why you use or advocate an ET.
>
> As for the former subject line here, are you now advocating
> 37, or not?
>
>
> Let this also be an encouragement to everyone else to take
> a look at that webpage and provide their own info if
> it's missing.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>

I wasn't aware of this page until today. I think its pretty cool. It
got me thinking that, perhaps, I could someday be known as an
advocate of a temperament or two. Of course, that means that I would
have to start advocating. I thought I would start today.

I think 29 is a lovely temperament. It has a fifth that is very close
to just. This makes it an interesting tuning for experimenting with
quintal harmonies. It also seems to have some interesting
ambiguities. I have begun some sketches for a large scale work in
this temperament, but I'm afraid that it will be a long time before
its finished.

I think my second favorite temperament is probably 26. It's not an
especially consonant temperament, but its dissonances are intriguing
to me. I just like the sound of them. I especially like some of its
minor sounding modes. I'm pretty far along on a large scale work for
orchestra and hope to make a little piece available soon.

I enjoy many other tunings and temperaments, but I could happily
spend the rest of life composing in these two.

Daniel Thompson
http://danielthompson.blogspot.com

As far as temperaments go, I suppose you could call me an advocate for
19-edo first and foremost, followed closely by 31-edo. I like 19 because
of its simplicity and utilty, and I can certainly see it as the next
most logical step up from 12. 31 would be my other choice of
temperament, because of its meantone qualities and accurate
approximations of 7/6 & 7/4. (I've got a certain fondness for 11 and 17,
but not such that I would call myself an advocate on their behalf.)

Speaking personally, my only real objection to 31 and most other
larger-than-12 temperaments is their difficulty of complete adaptation
to keyboards (my major musical vice, unfortunately), not to mention
other instruments. No real problem there with 17, 19 or even 24
pitches-per-octave, tempered or otherwise -- but beyond that I see
practical mechanical and manual problems.

I try very hard to compose music which has a real chance at being
performed tomorrow by available (and un-complicated) acoustic
instruments with a minimum of adaptive reconstruction, and not in some
future period when our present orchestra is entirely replaced by
astounding microtonal gizmos. (I'm loath to see my music imprisoned
inside a PC forever, or only performable by electronic substitutes.) On
the other hand, there's little objection to using 12-24 pitch subsets of
large-number temperaments, and it certainly makes more sense for
practical applications. IMHO.

Best,

jls

Joe Monzo --

In case you're interested, this is a complete list of my set of etudes in ETs from 8 to 23. Several of them have scores and/or working audio files on my webpages.

ETUDES for microtonal instruments (1994-2004), including:

YET ANOTHER (OCTAL) FOR GORDON MUMMA (1994) harpsichord in 8-tone equal temperament .

NOCTURNE (2004) keyboard in 9-tone equal temperament

ORTOLANS ENCORE UNE FOIS? (2002-4) keyboard in 11-equal temperament

CHANGE OF REGIME (Prelude, Invention, & Air to a Ground in 13tet)(2004) keyboard in 13tet

IVOR DARREG IN EAGLE ROCK (2004) keyboard in 14tet,

AMERICAN TREES & HOW TO CLIMB THEM: AN ACADEMIC PIECE keyboard in 15tet

SAPPHO, DE SELBY & THE OTHER PRE-SOCRATICS (2004) keyboard in 16-tet

PRELUDE (2004) keyboard in 17-tone equal temperament

DAUD SALAAM (2004) keyboard in 18-tet equal temperament

PASSACAGLIAS & MINUETS (2003) for three instruments in 19-tone equal temperament

RULE 42 (2004) keyboard in 21-tone equal temperament

SUITE (2004) keyboard in 22-tone equal temperament

SCACIATTA & FRUGUE (2004) keyboard in 23-tone equal temperament

In addition, I have a big piece, GRAND CANON in which a canon modulates through a number of ETs (7-13) via a continuously widening fifth, but realizing this piece has been a minor technological nightmare; I hope to finish it sometime before the kids grow up and leave the nest.