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Joe,

{you wrote...}
>A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) ...

Unless it is utter coincidence, you must have been reading Kyle Gann's blog today as well! List, there is a nice blurb about BJ in Kyle's latest, with a link to an interview of BJ by Frank Oteri at NewMusicBox. And wait till people start screaming about numerology and all that! :)

http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/

(be sure to catch Kyle's post on postminimalism too)

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Jeffrey Quick <jaq@...>

>Joe,
>
>{you wrote...}
>>A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) ...

It's not new writing though, just a collection of the best of his previously-published writings. I had a copy through ILL but didn't really get with it. Actually, the NMB interview was more interesting/provocative.

>Unless it is utter coincidence, you must have been reading Kyle >Gann's blog today as well!

Just did.

>List, there is a nice blurb about BJ in Kyle's latest, with a link >to an interview of BJ by Frank Oteri at NewMusicBox. And wait till >people start screaming about numerology and all that! :)

It's an intriguing idea. (the notion of ratio-groups having individual meanings). The problem lies in deciding whether meaning is intrinsic or constructed. The materials of extended-diatonic Western music have been out there for so long that "we all know what they mean". So do they mean that because they mean that, or because we've learned that they mean that? the situation with the ragas would be even worse.

>http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/
>
>(be sure to catch Kyle's post on postminimalism too)

It's a really intriguing piece, but I have some logical problems with some of his points. I'll probably end up blogging on it myself.

--
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🔗Daniel Wolf <djwolf@...>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

23. Robert Anton Wilson!

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Wolf <djwolf@...> wrote:
>
> >> While neither of us agreed with Johnston, indeed disagreeing in a >> number of ways which needn't be pursued here, we did agree that if >> thirteen were to be associated with death, then seventeen damn well >> ought to be taxes.
>> >
> Hows this:
>
> 3: power
> 5: love
> 7: jazz
> 11: strangeness
> 13: death
> 17: taxes
> 19: Jerry Springer
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
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🔗monz <monz@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Wolf <djwolf@> wrote:
>
> > While neither of us agreed with Johnston, indeed disagreeing in a
> > number of ways which needn't be pursued here, we did agree that if
> > thirteen were to be associated with death, then seventeen damn well
> > ought to be taxes.
>
> Hows this:
>
> 3: power
> 5: love
> 7: jazz
> 11: strangeness
> 13: death
> 17: taxes
> 19: Jerry Springer

Nah, for me 19 is *definitely* Jimi Hendrix!

http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/hendrix/hendrix.htm

Maybe 23 is Jerry Springer. ;-)

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

Hey KG, thanks for this blog on the nature of post-minimalism. It really
struck a chord with me (pun intended), and I'll be digesting it for the next
few weeks :)

-Chris Bryan

On 26/01/07, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) ...
>
> Unless it is utter coincidence, you must have been reading Kyle Gann's
> blog today as well! List, there is a nice blurb about BJ in Kyle's latest,
> with a link to an interview of BJ by Frank Oteri at NewMusicBox. And wait
> till people start screaming about numerology and all that! :)
>
> http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/
>
> (be sure to catch Kyle's post on postminimalism too)
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
>

--
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🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

no springer should be 29, the abyss in the cabala!

monz wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
> <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
> >> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Wolf <djwolf@> wrote:
>>
>> >>> While neither of us agreed with Johnston, indeed disagreeing in a >>> number of ways which needn't be pursued here, we did agree that if >>> thirteen were to be associated with death, then seventeen damn well >>> ought to be taxes.
>>> >> Hows this:
>>
>> 3: power
>> 5: love
>> 7: jazz
>> 11: strangeness
>> 13: death
>> 17: taxes
>> 19: Jerry Springer
>> >
>
> Nah, for me 19 is *definitely* Jimi Hendrix!
>
> http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/hendrix/hendrix.htm
>
>
> Maybe 23 is Jerry Springer. ;-)
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
> >
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗ambassadorbob <petesfriedclams@...>

"This makes a certain sense (although, 13 = death?), which Frank
teases out well during the interview. For many years I've had a
fascination with the "meanings" of prime numbers, such as those
applied by the great/notorious qabalistic crackpot Aleister Crowley:"

Duh, Kyle.

13 is an archetypal feminine number, representing eg "Mother". Birth
IS Death. Or, so it has been said/indicated (;-).

And, please, don't let's start on who's a "crackpot", or not...

BJ isn't exactly glued up tight, is he? Talent, and Elmer's Glue-all
seem to follow each other around quite a lot, eh?

(Smile...)

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> >A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) came out last
> >December called 'Maximum Clarity and Other Writings on Music':
> >
> >Amazon link
> ><http://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUM-CLARITY-OTHER-WRITINGS-
MUSIC/dp/025203098\
> >2/sr=1-4/qid=1169750576/ref=sr_1_4/102-9105187-7361722?
ie=UTF8&s=books>
> >
> >(I used the yahoo 'rich text editor' for the url.)
> >
>
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/01/sexy_7ths_ambiguous_11t
hs.html
>
> --
> * David Beardsley
> * microtonal guitar
> * http://biink.com/db
>

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

AC work on this subject is nothing more than golden dawn material which he printed under his own name , cause before when he gave credit to the source he was sued for doing so. he lost a fortune
so he bypassed it by claiming it as his own, and got away with it!

ambassadorbob wrote:
> "This makes a certain sense (although, 13 = death?), which Frank > teases out well during the interview. For many years I've had a > fascination with the "meanings" of prime numbers, such as those > applied by the great/notorious qabalistic crackpot Aleister Crowley:"
>
> Duh, Kyle.
>
> 13 is an archetypal feminine number, representing eg "Mother". Birth > IS Death. Or, so it has been said/indicated (;-).
>
> And, please, don't let's start on who's a "crackpot", or not...
>
> BJ isn't exactly glued up tight, is he? Talent, and Elmer's Glue-all > seem to follow each other around quite a lot, eh? >
> (Smile...)
>
> P >
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
> >> Joe wrote:
>>
>> >>> A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) came out last
>>> December called 'Maximum Clarity and Other Writings on Music':
>>>
>>> Amazon link
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUM-CLARITY-OTHER-WRITINGS-
>>> > MUSIC/dp/025203098\
> >>> 2/sr=1-4/qid=1169750576/ref=sr_1_4/102-9105187-7361722?
>>> > ie=UTF8&s=books>
> >>> (I used the yahoo 'rich text editor' for the url.)
>>>
>>> >> > http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/01/sexy_7ths_ambiguous_11t
> hs.html
> >> -- >> * David Beardsley
>> * microtonal guitar
>> * http://biink.com/db
>>
>> >
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

I wasn't clear that he had published some golden dawn material of a different sort because he was an open source type of guy.
Kraig Grady wrote:
> AC work on this subject is nothing more than golden dawn material which > he printed under his own name , cause before when he gave credit to the > source he was sued for doing so. he lost a fortune
> so he bypassed it by claiming it as his own, and got away with it!
>
> ambassadorbob wrote:
> >> "This makes a certain sense (although, 13 = death?), which Frank >> teases out well during the interview. For many years I've had a >> fascination with the "meanings" of prime numbers, such as those >> applied by the great/notorious qabalistic crackpot Aleister Crowley:"
>>
>> Duh, Kyle.
>>
>> 13 is an archetypal feminine number, representing eg "Mother". Birth >> IS Death. Or, so it has been said/indicated (;-).
>>
>> And, please, don't let's start on who's a "crackpot", or not...
>>
>> BJ isn't exactly glued up tight, is he? Talent, and Elmer's Glue-all >> seem to follow each other around quite a lot, eh? >>
>> (Smile...)
>>
>> P >>
>> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
>> >> >>> Joe wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> >>>> A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation composer) came out last
>>>> December called 'Maximum Clarity and Other Writings on Music':
>>>>
>>>> Amazon link
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUM-CLARITY-OTHER-WRITINGS-
>>>> >>>> >> MUSIC/dp/025203098\
>> >> >>>> 2/sr=1-4/qid=1169750576/ref=sr_1_4/102-9105187-7361722?
>>>> >>>> >> ie=UTF8&s=books>
>> >> >>>> (I used the yahoo 'rich text editor' for the url.)
>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/01/sexy_7ths_ambiguous_11t
>> hs.html
>> >> >>> -- >>> * David Beardsley
>>> * microtonal guitar
>>> * http://biink.com/db
>>>
>>> >>> >>
>>
>> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗kevin ryan <bentivi_cdo@...>

When I hear people talk about personal numerologies, I
always wonder if they are unknowingly synesthetic.
Same when I hear people talk about auras. On a
tangent: I posted a question relating to
microtonalism and pitch > color syn on the synesthesia
yahoo group. Many people with this type of
synesthesia have specific color associations for
different pitches. Hearing a specific pitch causes
them to see a color photism or at least have a sense
of a specific color (many of these synesthetes thus
have perfect pitch - Amy Beach and Messiaen are famous
examples). So I asked the group what microtonal
music "looked like" and got several responses. Most
people said that the colors they saw when listening to
just tuned music were brighter, clearer, more vibrant,
etc. One person wrote that anything that wasn't 12
edo looked wrong, and he had a hard time even hearing
it as music!

--- Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:

> I wasn't clear that he had published some golden
> dawn material of a
> different sort because he was an open source type of
> guy.
>
>
> Kraig Grady wrote:
> > AC work on this subject is nothing more than
> golden dawn material which
> > he printed under his own name , cause before when
> he gave credit to the
> > source he was sued for doing so. he lost a fortune
> > so he bypassed it by claiming it as his own, and
> got away with it!
> >
> > ambassadorbob wrote:
> >
> >> "This makes a certain sense (although, 13 =
> death?), which Frank
> >> teases out well during the interview. For many
> years I've had a
> >> fascination with the "meanings" of prime numbers,
> such as those
> >> applied by the great/notorious qabalistic
> crackpot Aleister Crowley:"
> >>
> >> Duh, Kyle.
> >>
> >> 13 is an archetypal feminine number, representing
> eg "Mother". Birth
> >> IS Death. Or, so it has been said/indicated
> (;-).
> >>
> >> And, please, don't let's start on who's a
> "crackpot", or not...
> >>
> >> BJ isn't exactly glued up tight, is he? Talent,
> and Elmer's Glue-all
> >> seem to follow each other around quite a lot, eh?
>
> >>
> >> (Smile...)
> >>
> >> P
> >>
> >> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David
> Beardsley <db@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Joe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> A new book by Ben Johnston (just intonation
> composer) came out last
> >>>> December called 'Maximum Clarity and Other
> Writings on Music':
> >>>>
> >>>> Amazon link
> >>>>
>
<http://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUM-CLARITY-OTHER-WRITINGS-
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> MUSIC/dp/025203098\
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
>
2/sr=1-4/qid=1169750576/ref=sr_1_4/102-9105187-7361722?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> ie=UTF8&s=books>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> (I used the yahoo 'rich text editor' for the
> url.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/01/sexy_7ths_ambiguous_11t
> >> hs.html
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> * David Beardsley
> >>> * microtonal guitar
> >>> * http://biink.com/db
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main/index.asp> 88.9 FM
> Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles
>
>

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