zynaddsubfx noise based pad

Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's SUBsynth, which takes
noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir patches:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B

On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
> Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's SUBsynth, which takes
> noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir patches:
>
> http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B

Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it "relaxation
music" or something, and people would buy it.

What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or brownian noise
rather than white noise?

Keenan

On 9/2/06, Keenan Pepper <keenanpepper@...> wrote:
> Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it "relaxation
> music" or something, and people would buy it.

I found the noise at the top of the band destroyed any relaxing sense
from the lower harmonies, maybe if you ran it through a lowpass
filter?

--TRISTAN
The Four Principles of Anarchism:
1) Reason
2) Mutual Aid
3) Voluntary Association
4)Consensus

Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter it, but I
like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:

http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv

using Zyn's PADsynth module . It's based on giving each harmonic a
gradually higher band of frequencies.

http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm

Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8 2/1

Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
<keenanpepper@...> wrote:
>
> On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
> > Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's SUBsynth,
which takes
> > noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir
patches:
> >
> > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B
>
> Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it "relaxation
> music" or something, and people would buy it.
>
> What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or brownian
noise
> rather than white noise?
>
> Keenan
>

Hi Joe,

As an avid user of ZynAddSubFX, I can tell you that it's just *not*
true that it only uses white noise. That *is* true of the 'Sub'
Synthesizer, whose neat idea is to have really nice acoustically
complex sounds by doing variable width bandpass filtering on the
harmonic series of a white noise source.

But, if you use the 'Add' synth, you'll see it's actually a mixed
variation of traditional additive and/or subtractive (i.e.
Moog-style sawtooth, square oscillators w/filters and envelopes,
etc.).

Zynaddsubfx is fantastic sounding, but can be CPU intensive, esp,
the 'Sub' synth. Really, any white noise in real-time is CPU
intensive. I imagine certain types of filters can be CPU intensive,
although I think FFT libraries help that situation out a bit.

So one possible thing to do is to make soundfonts/samples out of
your favorite noisy patches and play them with FluidSynth (on Linux)
or something similar on other platforms. Sample playback is really
much easier on computer resources!

Best,
Aaron.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...>
wrote:
>
> Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter it, but
I
> like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv
>
> using Zyn's PADsynth module . It's based on giving each harmonic
a
> gradually higher band of frequencies.
>
> http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm
>
> Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8 2/1
>
> Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
> <keenanpepper@> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> > > Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's SUBsynth,
> which takes
> > > noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir
> patches:
> > >
> > > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > > action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B
> >
> > Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it
"relaxation
> > music" or something, and people would buy it.
> >
> > What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or brownian
> noise
> > rather than white noise?
> >
> > Keenan
> >
>

Thanks for the tip. I was actually answering the question about
using brown or pink noise, which I don't think Zyn can do. There's
some other synth like that, but it's not microtonal. I know about
the Add & Pad zyn synth modules as well. I also like the idea of
generating variable sounds on the fly, instead of looping a
repetitive sample of them.

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
<aaron@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> As an avid user of ZynAddSubFX, I can tell you that it's just
*not*
> true that it only uses white noise. That *is* true of the 'Sub'
> Synthesizer, whose neat idea is to have really nice acoustically
> complex sounds by doing variable width bandpass filtering on the
> harmonic series of a white noise source.
>
> But, if you use the 'Add' synth, you'll see it's actually a mixed
> variation of traditional additive and/or subtractive (i.e.
> Moog-style sawtooth, square oscillators w/filters and envelopes,
> etc.).
>
> Zynaddsubfx is fantastic sounding, but can be CPU intensive, esp,
> the 'Sub' synth. Really, any white noise in real-time is CPU
> intensive. I imagine certain types of filters can be CPU
intensive,
> although I think FFT libraries help that situation out a bit.
>
> So one possible thing to do is to make soundfonts/samples out of
> your favorite noisy patches and play them with FluidSynth (on
Linux)
> or something similar on other platforms. Sample playback is really
> much easier on computer resources!
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter it,
but
> I
> > like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv
> >
> > using Zyn's PADsynth module . It's based on giving each
harmonic
> a
> > gradually higher band of frequencies.
> >
> > http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm
> >
> > Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8 2/1
> >
> > Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
> > <keenanpepper@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> > > > Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's SUBsynth,
> > which takes
> > > > noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir
> > patches:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > > > action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B
> > >
> > > Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it
> "relaxation
> > > music" or something, and people would buy it.
> > >
> > > What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or
brownian
> > noise
> > > rather than white noise?
> > >
> > > Keenan
> > >
> >
>

Judging by my own Csound synth based on the same idea (actually a
cousin of the vocoder), really exploring the possibilities of the
approach would probably entail tiptoing down the corriders at the
local university and swiping a mainframe.

Even with a sampled noise source (I use very pretty noise from a
discrete analog), varying the filter bandwidths, stretching and
compressing partial relationships by moving the center frequencies
of the BP filters, writing the filtered noises into tables so they
can modulate each other, governing the parameters of the filtering
according to varying tuning, composition and formant demands, all
takes a lot of calculation- I go out for a beer when a patch is
rendering.

Can't get Zynaddsubfx running on my machine, sadly.

-Cameron Bobro

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip. I was actually answering the question about
> using brown or pink noise, which I don't think Zyn can do.
There's
> some other synth like that, but it's not microtonal. I know about
> the Add & Pad zyn synth modules as well. I also like the idea of
> generating variable sounds on the fly, instead of looping a
> repetitive sample of them.
>
> Joe
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
> <aaron@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > As an avid user of ZynAddSubFX, I can tell you that it's just
> *not*
> > true that it only uses white noise. That *is* true of the 'Sub'
> > Synthesizer, whose neat idea is to have really nice acoustically
> > complex sounds by doing variable width bandpass filtering on the
> > harmonic series of a white noise source.
> >
> > But, if you use the 'Add' synth, you'll see it's actually a
mixed
> > variation of traditional additive and/or subtractive (i.e.
> > Moog-style sawtooth, square oscillators w/filters and envelopes,
> > etc.).
> >
> > Zynaddsubfx is fantastic sounding, but can be CPU intensive,
esp,
> > the 'Sub' synth. Really, any white noise in real-time is CPU
> > intensive. I imagine certain types of filters can be CPU
> intensive,
> > although I think FFT libraries help that situation out a bit.
> >
> > So one possible thing to do is to make soundfonts/samples out of
> > your favorite noisy patches and play them with FluidSynth (on
> Linux)
> > or something similar on other platforms. Sample playback is
really
> > much easier on computer resources!
> >
> > Best,
> > Aaron.
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter it,
> but
> > I
> > > like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv
> > >
> > > using Zyn's PADsynth module . It's based on giving each
> harmonic
> > a
> > > gradually higher band of frequencies.
> > >
> > > http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm
> > >
> > > Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8 2/1
> > >
> > > Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.
> > >
> > > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
> > > <keenanpepper@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> > > > > Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's
SUBsynth,
> > > which takes
> > > > > noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the choir
> > > patches:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > > > > action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B
> > > >
> > > > Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it
> > "relaxation
> > > > music" or something, and people would buy it.
> > > >
> > > > What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or
> brownian
> > > noise
> > > > rather than white noise?
> > > >
> > > > Keenan
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I use the windows standalone version and record from 'what u hear'
in audacity. Sometimes windows slows down though, especially if
stuff like winamp & IE are running at the same time, lol.

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "misterbobro"
<misterbobro@...> wrote:
>
> Judging by my own Csound synth based on the same idea (actually a
> cousin of the vocoder), really exploring the possibilities of the
> approach would probably entail tiptoing down the corriders at the
> local university and swiping a mainframe.
>
> Even with a sampled noise source (I use very pretty noise from a
> discrete analog), varying the filter bandwidths, stretching and
> compressing partial relationships by moving the center frequencies
> of the BP filters, writing the filtered noises into tables so they
> can modulate each other, governing the parameters of the filtering
> according to varying tuning, composition and formant demands, all
> takes a lot of calculation- I go out for a beer when a patch is
> rendering.
>
> Can't get Zynaddsubfx running on my machine, sadly.
>
> -Cameron Bobro
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. I was actually answering the question about
> > using brown or pink noise, which I don't think Zyn can do.
> There's
> > some other synth like that, but it's not microtonal. I know
about
> > the Add & Pad zyn synth modules as well. I also like the idea
of
> > generating variable sounds on the fly, instead of looping a
> > repetitive sample of them.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson"
> > <aaron@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Joe,
> > >
> > > As an avid user of ZynAddSubFX, I can tell you that it's just
> > *not*
> > > true that it only uses white noise. That *is* true of
the 'Sub'
> > > Synthesizer, whose neat idea is to have really nice
acoustically
> > > complex sounds by doing variable width bandpass filtering on
the
> > > harmonic series of a white noise source.
> > >
> > > But, if you use the 'Add' synth, you'll see it's actually a
> mixed
> > > variation of traditional additive and/or subtractive (i.e.
> > > Moog-style sawtooth, square oscillators w/filters and
envelopes,
> > > etc.).
> > >
> > > Zynaddsubfx is fantastic sounding, but can be CPU intensive,
> esp,
> > > the 'Sub' synth. Really, any white noise in real-time is CPU
> > > intensive. I imagine certain types of filters can be CPU
> > intensive,
> > > although I think FFT libraries help that situation out a bit.
> > >
> > > So one possible thing to do is to make soundfonts/samples out
of
> > > your favorite noisy patches and play them with FluidSynth (on
> > Linux)
> > > or something similar on other platforms. Sample playback is
> really
> > > much easier on computer resources!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Aaron.
> > >
> > > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter
it,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:
> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv
> > > >
> > > > using Zyn's PADsynth module . It's based on giving each
> > harmonic
> > > a
> > > > gradually higher band of frequencies.
> > > >
> > > > http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm
> > > >
> > > > Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8
2/1
> > > >
> > > > Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.
> > > >
> > > > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Keenan Pepper"
> > > > <keenanpepper@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/1/06, Joe <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> > > > > > Here's some just chords played with Zynaddsubfx's
> SUBsynth,
> > > > which takes
> > > > > > noise and filters notes out of it. It's one of the
choir
> > > > patches:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > > > > > action=download&ufid=91AFC2053D02457B
> > > > >
> > > > > Cool! I bet you could make a CD of this stuff, call it
> > > "relaxation
> > > > > music" or something, and people would buy it.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does it sound like if you start with pink noise or
> > brownian
> > > > noise
> > > > > rather than white noise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Keenan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Zynaddsubfx seems to only use white noise. I could filter it, but
I like how it's kind of scary sounding. Here's another one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mpxdv
>
> using Zyn's PADsynth module. It's based on giving each harmonic a
gradually higher band of frequencies.
>
> http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/PADsynth.htm
>
> Btw, this is my tuning: 1/1 9/8 5/4 21/16 3/2 27/16 15/8 2/1
>
> Mostly 5 limit chords with a 7 limit V7 chord.

...

Hi Joe,

Loved both of them! I keep playing the later one (Joe's Slow
Fantasy); it's very, very lush.

Regards,
Yahya