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Am I supposed to add [MMM] myself? I'm not exactly that internet-savvy

I just got back from a week in the woods, and as soon as I got to my
computer I threw up Long Horizontal Lines, a piece in which two notes
sweep up and down slowly against eachother. I've been thinking about
something that (I think) Carl Lumma said in regards to Guys Dressed
Like Girls, about how music was generally too slow. I'm probably
horribly distorting what was said, but I'm just trying to say that I
feel exactly the opposite, that music in general is so fast, so melody
driven, there's no time to just sit and enjoy the sounds it makes.

I wouldn't call this much more than a sketch, not even a full study.
There are parts I like, especially when very remote harmoncs are
brought to the fore through beating and doubling-up. There is more to
be seen here, I can feel it.

I still haven't found a sane hosting solution, so here's my latest try:
http://rozencrantzthesane.tripod.com/index.html
If this doesn't work, I'll try Zebox or Soundclick.

--TRISTAN
(http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@...>

Hi Tristan,

I'm looking forward to hearing the piece when I am back on a fast connection (probably Monday). You might possibly enjoy these two pieces of mine that (at least according to your description) play around in similar territory: Drift Dhikr[1] and Drift Dhikr II[2].

- Dave

[1] http://mysterybear.net/article/12
[2] http://mysterybear.net/article/19

Rozencrantz the Sane wrote:
> Am I supposed to add [MMM] myself? I'm not exactly that internet-savvy
> > I just got back from a week in the woods, and as soon as I got to my
> computer I threw up Long Horizontal Lines, a piece in which two notes
> sweep up and down slowly against eachother. I've been thinking about
> something that (I think) Carl Lumma said in regards to Guys Dressed
> Like Girls, about how music was generally too slow. I'm probably
> horribly distorting what was said, but I'm just trying to say that I
> feel exactly the opposite, that music in general is so fast, so melody
> driven, there's no time to just sit and enjoy the sounds it makes.
> > I wouldn't call this much more than a sketch, not even a full study.
> There are parts I like, especially when very remote harmoncs are
> brought to the fore through beating and doubling-up. There is more to
> be seen here, I can feel it.
> > I still haven't found a sane hosting solution, so here's my latest try:
> http://rozencrantzthesane.tripod.com/index.html
> If this doesn't work, I'll try Zebox or Soundclick.
> > --TRISTAN
> (http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

>Am I supposed to add [MMM] myself? I'm not exactly that internet-savvy
>
>I just got back from a week in the woods, and as soon as I got to my
>computer I threw up Long Horizontal Lines, a piece in which two notes
>sweep up and down slowly against eachother. I've been thinking about
>something that (I think) Carl Lumma said in regards to Guys Dressed
>Like Girls, about how music was generally too slow. I'm probably
>horribly distorting what was said, but I'm just trying to say that I
>feel exactly the opposite, that music in general is so fast, so melody
>driven, there's no time to just sit and enjoy the sounds it makes.

I think I said it was too long.

As for music along the lines of Long Horizontal Lines, well, it's
only a little over a minute. At certain times, I've enjoyed long
pieces of music, both notey and not. But listening to glistening
sounds has lost a lot of its appeal for me, and listening to music
in general has too. I really like silence these days. It tunes
me up for when I do take the time to sit and listen. I suppose if
I could have ever-changing ecstatic JI sweeps filling my house
evenly at low volume, that might be worth something, but it would
probably get old pretty quickly.

-Carl

🔗Rozencrantz the Sane <rozencrantz@...>

On 8/26/06, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
> I think I said it was too long.
>
> As for music along the lines of Long Horizontal Lines, well, it's
> only a little over a minute. At certain times, I've enjoyed long
> pieces of music, both notey and not. But listening to glistening
> sounds has lost a lot of its appeal for me, and listening to music
> in general has too. I really like silence these days. It tunes
> me up for when I do take the time to sit and listen. I suppose if
> I could have ever-changing ecstatic JI sweeps filling my house
> evenly at low volume, that might be worth something, but it would
> probably get old pretty quickly.
>
> -Carl

That's a familiar sentement, and something I was talking about with a
friend just last night. He was comparing it to pornography, as it's
watching someone else do something that would be far more satisfying
to do yourself.

In regards to leingth, my full vision for Long Horizontal Lines was
quite a bit longer, but the software I was using, and my own
perception of musicality, didn't allow that. My vision was to take a
slow song and join the notes together, but at that speed the thematic
movement dissolved.

In the pieces I've been writing lately, I've been trying to capture a
"Just Be" aesthetic that sits at the center of my aesthetic sense. I
think that would have been better served by notes moving stepwise
rather than glissening. Part of this came out of a frustration with
Milton Babbit, who produced some really fascinating textures that he
then replaces in a fraction of a second. It's interesting, but
frustrating, like someone flipping channels and only pausing on the
good stuff long enough to see that it is, in fact, good before moving
on.

--TRISTAN
(http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@...>

Some music just has to be allowed to go its course. I've been listening to a lot of Morton Feldman lately. He was a guy who knew how not to get in the way of the sound. Some of my pieces (like Drift Dhikr) are rendered at a relatively short length on my site, but could very easily be made much longer, for example if used in the context of some sort of gallery installation or environment.

- Dave

Rozencrantz the Sane wrote:
> In regards to leingth, my full vision for Long Horizontal Lines was
> quite a bit longer, but the software I was using, and my own
> perception of musicality, didn't allow that. My vision was to take a
> slow song and join the notes together, but at that speed the thematic
> movement dissolved.
> > In the pieces I've been writing lately, I've been trying to capture a
> "Just Be" aesthetic that sits at the center of my aesthetic sense. I
> think that would have been better served by notes moving stepwise
> rather than glissening. Part of this came out of a frustration with
> Milton Babbit, who produced some really fascinating textures that he
> then replaces in a fraction of a second. It's interesting, but
> frustrating, like someone flipping channels and only pausing on the
> good stuff long enough to see that it is, in fact, good before moving
> on.
> > --TRISTAN
> (http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

At 12:48 PM 8/26/2006, you wrote:
>Some music just has to be allowed to go its course. I've been listening
>to a lot of Morton Feldman lately.

I was at Gimme Coffee in Brooklyn a couple of years ago
(go there if you like coffee! http://www.gimmecoffee.com )
and I asked what was playing, and IIRC it was Feldman,
whom I hadn't heard of at the time. It was absolutely
marvelous. It created a moment that could only be
described as awesome. I've since sampled Feldman on
Amazon, and I can tell that the chances of another situation
occurring before I die that would let me hear his music
as anything other than obnoxious crap are fairly low.
Music can be a fickle mistress, I guess.

- C .

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

Carl Lumma wrote:

>At 12:48 PM 8/26/2006, you wrote:
> >
>>Some music just has to be allowed to go its course. I've been listening >>to a lot of Morton Feldman lately.
>> >>
>
>I was at Gimme Coffee in Brooklyn a couple of years ago
>(go there if you like coffee! http://www.gimmecoffee.com )
>and I asked what was playing, and IIRC it was Feldman,
>whom I hadn't heard of at the time. It was absolutely
>marvelous. It created a moment that could only be
>described as awesome. I've since sampled Feldman on
>Amazon, and I can tell that the chances of another situation
>occurring before I die that would let me hear his music
>as anything other than obnoxious crap are fairly low.
>Music can be a fickle mistress, I guess.
>
You're a class act Carl. Consistent too.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗aum <aum@...>

🔗Rozencrantz the Sane <rozencrantz@...>

On 8/26/06, aum <aum@...> wrote:
> Interesting sketch, I'm looking forward to hear the finished piece.
> aum

I don't think I'm going to flesh this one out, I was hoping that it
would be more than just a glissando piece, but the thematic material
was completely buried.

Like nearly all of my music, this is Public Domain, so if you see a
direction it could go in, feel free to take it there.

--TRISTAN
(http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)

🔗Dave Seidel <dave@...>

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

🔗Joe <tamahome02000@...>

I feel the same way. When I started to listen to ambient music and
Robert Rich, I enjoyed the sustained harmonies...

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Rozencrantz the Sane"
<rozencrantz@...> wrote:
>
> Am I supposed to add [MMM] myself? I'm not exactly that internet-
savvy
>
> I just got back from a week in the woods, and as soon as I got to
my
> computer I threw up Long Horizontal Lines, a piece in which two
notes
> sweep up and down slowly against eachother. I've been thinking
about
> something that (I think) Carl Lumma said in regards to Guys Dressed
> Like Girls, about how music was generally too slow. I'm probably
> horribly distorting what was said, but I'm just trying to say that
I
> feel exactly the opposite, that music in general is so fast, so
melody
> driven, there's no time to just sit and enjoy the sounds it makes.
>
> I wouldn't call this much more than a sketch, not even a full
study.
> There are parts I like, especially when very remote harmoncs are
> brought to the fore through beating and doubling-up. There is more
to
> be seen here, I can feel it.
>
> I still haven't found a sane hosting solution, so here's my latest
try:
> http://rozencrantzthesane.tripod.com/index.html
> If this doesn't work, I'll try Zebox or Soundclick.
>
> --TRISTAN
> (http://dreamingofeden.smackjeeves.com/)
>

🔗aum <aum@...>

I am busy doing another things now, but thanks anyway. aum
> Like nearly all of my music, this is Public Domain, so if you see a
> direction it could go in, feel free to take it there.
>
> --TRISTAN

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