New piece by Ligon and Sethares...

Hello all,

Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and
here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:

http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.html

The harmonic basis is a 7-limit JI.
Enjoy... and feedback is warmly welcomed...

- Bill Sethares

Bill,

As expected, spectacular! Great production, glad to see Jacky has allowed himself to get rhythmically involved again - even glitching! :) If this ends up being a CD-length project, it would sure be great news.

If I have more comments after repeated listenings I'll post them...

Cheers,
Jon

Very nice....a warm and rich stereo field with great understanding of clean
production values and 'ear candy'!

Best,
Aaron.

On Sunday 30 July 2006 12:44 pm, Bill Sethares wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and
> here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
> of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:
>
> http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.html
>
> The harmonic basis is a 7-limit JI.
> Enjoy... and feedback is warmly welcomed...
>
> - Bill Sethares

Hi Bill,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Sethares" wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and
> here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
> of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:
>
http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.html
>
> The harmonic basis is a 7-limit JI.
> Enjoy... and feedback is warmly welcomed...

Great to hear from you! ;-)

Added to this evening's concert. Sigh ... Just sometimes, "Work" is
a 4-letter word!

Best,
Yahya

Bill Sethares escreveu:
> Hello all, > > Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and > here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
> of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:
> > http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.html

Hi Bill,

Is there a stable link for the piece?
I started to download (downloaded a few seconds) and then paused.
When later I connected again to resume the download, the site sent a HTML page instead of the mp3 file...

Cheers,
Hudson

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Hudson,

{you wrote...}
>Is there a stable link for the piece?

Try again - I've actually downloaded it from two different computers today with no problems whatsoever...

Cheers,
Jon

i had a problem also but will try again too

Jon Szanto wrote:
> Hudson,
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> {you wrote...}
> >> Is there a stable link for the piece?
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> Try again - I've actually downloaded it from two different computers today with no problems whatsoever...
>
> Cheers,
> Jon >
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Hi Bill,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Sethares" wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and
> here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
> of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:
>
http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.htm
l
>
> The harmonic basis is a 7-limit JI.
> Enjoy... and feedback is warmly welcomed...

Warm and smooth ... the rhythm is, as you say,"firm", and supports
the forward motion of the piece without overpowering the
sonorities. For some reason I can't fathom, I see this as a great
theme to accompany a scenic travelogue with little dialogue, called
perhaps "Safari".

Now I'll reverse the quesion I just asked Shaahin - how would this
sound using harmonic timbres? It might be instructive to hear them
side by side.

Regards,
Yahya

Kraig Grady escreveu:
> i had a problem also but will try again too

That site is simply awful. It sent again a HTML page instead of the file. It does not support download continuation, so the download is restarted when trying resume it, but the site redirects to that html page to restart. Maybe I shall try again...

> > Jon Szanto wrote:
> >>Hudson,
>>
>>{you wrote...}
>> >>
>>>Is there a stable link for the piece?
>>> >>
>>Try again - I've actually downloaded it from two different computers today with no problems whatsoever...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Jon >>

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Sethares and Ligon: The "Dynamic Duo" meet
_A Moment Transformed_ in beauty and charm
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One of the advantages of participating in this forum is that you get
an opportunity to hear some beautiful music, often with the generous
assistance of people ready to help in creating the music, in making it
available, and sometimes in helping to overcome Internet vagaries that
can complicate the question of that availability.

_A Moment Transformed_ by Jacky Ligon and Bill Sethares is this kind
of piece, and reminded me of the "generous assistance" I'm discussing
even before I got a chance to hear it. As it happened, when Bill and
Jacky shared it by posting it on a free download site, I ran into the
complication that the site seemed to use some kind of link or button
which was "invisible" to my text-based browsers -- even a version of
links which has some support for javascript. Very fortunately, Jacky
and Jon Szanto quickly arranged for me to access and download the file
at a site where I could get it with one my browsers -- many thanks!

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1. A meeting of two world musicians
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As someone having immense respect for both Bill and Jacky, I was
indeed curious as to what they might create together. Each has his own
genius, although their musical endeavors share certain themes and
focuses.

A passion for exploring a range of world musics and instruments, and a
fascination for the subtle interactions of timbre and tuning, are
indeed common themes uniting these musicians. Both have explored just
intonation and equal temperaments of various sorts, as well as scales
which don't fit these categories.

If I were going to attempt drawing a contrast -- and one based on a
partial sampling of these two musicians in more sense than one
(partial meaning both "incomplete" and "inevitably biased") -- I might
say that Jacky's music is often contemplative in quality, developing a
scale in a way unostentatiously awesome for an attuned listener, while
Bill's has a certain affability that is at once sincere and "cool" in
a kind of jazzlike way.

This side of Bill's music comes us in some of the pieces on his
_Xentonality_ CD, and for me notably in the settings based on Gary
Morrison's 88-cET, a scale based on equal 88-cent steps. In Bill's
hands, we get a kind of very friendly jazz or pop music, tastefully
arranged, and making the most of the scale through timbral
adjustments. (I got a kind of preview of this when Gary sent me a
cassette presentation including some customized bagpipe timbres or the
like by Bill that neatly fit the 88-cET intervals of 1144 and 1232
cents.)

Anyway, in _A Moment Transformed_, Bill and Jacky nicely combine their
artistic outlooks in a piece full of musical space, depth, and fun.

The piece opens with some formative sounds that I tend to have a bit
of trouble following well, because I lean on the side of keeping the
volume down to a level I'm confident is safe for the louder parts --
although I would say that the contrasts aren't too immoderate. Anyway,
at around 0:56 we hear a theme that to me seems at once typical of
Jacky's longer-range forms, a melody and harmonic framework that allow
a lot of room for variation, a kind of ambient space into which the
listener can flow -- and also of Bill's instincts for appealing themes
that might introduce a dramatic series, for example.

The music is based on septimal JI, and features lots of harmonic
fifths and fourths, very pleasing to me. There are what I hear as
shimmering touches to the timbres, and as Jacky commented to me lots
of electronic layering, so that we get a kind of music nice simply to
flow with; the percussion adds to the interest.

At certain points (for example, around 2:20), a faster and more
"restless" theme comes in, and this seems to me vintage Sethares. The
contrast between more relaxed or contemplative, and more "driven,"
plays off nicely, and provides a certain formal structure for the
piece. At times I might associate a texture loosely with 13th-century
century European polyphony, or gamelan, or even some kind of jazz or
pop theme played on an automobile's radio near a beach in California,
USA during the 1960's.

I'd call it a very successful collaboration, and ask in which
directions these two artists might develop the material further. As it
is, the piece might neatly grace Bill's next _Xentonality_-like CD. I
could also see Jacky taking some of the melody and harmony and
producing a longer "ambient" development, maybe a bit like the famous
_Music from the Hearts of Space_ could present meditative
transformations of already winning music, familiar or not so
familiar.

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2. A note on intonation and timbre
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Since both Bill and Jacky have done pieces based on JI with relatively
low prime numbers, they were able together harmoniously to join their
creative resources in an intonational setting that might be considered
"relatively conventional" in comparison to some of the their favorite
tunings, for example scales such as 8-EDO or 11-EDO.

However, I suspect that their musical experience with matching tuning
and timbre in "xentonal" environments may more generally help them in
interesting registrations for a JI system like this one. They've
certainly brought things off very nicely.

Peace and love,

Margo

Hello "Ligon and Sethares,"

I finally got to listen, this was very enjoyable. I'm continually
amazed at how well JI works in an electro-pop context.

If you feel like it, I would be grateful for a short notation of some
of the repeated riffs, I'm always interested in how to approach ratios
linearly.

Thanks for posting,

Chris Bryan

Bill Sethares wrote:
> Hello all, > > Jacky Ligon and I have been working on some things, and > here is our first collaboration -- it's got a bunch
> of spectrally mapped samples lying on a firm rhythmic bed:
> > http://www.4shared.com/file/2778535/8b6a8fee/a_moment_transformed.html
> > The harmonic basis is a 7-limit JI.
> Enjoy... and feedback is warmly welcomed...

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