Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic an update (17-tone piano project a month away!)

Hail!

A few things to note.

1) http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com is starving for contributions.
The front page currently contains a list of my wiki wishes, and if all
were in existence I would dare say that we have a vibrant community of
microtonalists here. But they really don't, and so I don't. I do
invite anyone in the least bit dissatisfied with the internet's
representation of things microtonal to make their desires known.

One thing I think would be useful is the transfer of particularly
well-formulated messages from this and other Yahoo! groups. Now that
the search function has been greatly improved, it's easier to find
things, so this is less necessary, but also since it's easier, why not?

2) One page within the above, MusicWatch, is an attempt to keep track
of all the new downloadable microtonal music announced on this list,
in a format more boiled-down than possible on this discussion list. I
am looking for one or more Gnomes who actively follow the list anyway,
to ensure that the list doesn't miss anything.

3) In related news, the internet Microtonal Listening List was easily
transfered from the riters.com/microtonal wiki to this one. If your
website is going to be around for a long time, it's not a bad idea to
add it to the list.

4) The deadline of the Seventeen Tone Piano Project call for scores is
a month and a day away! C'monnn, a whole MONTH! Plenty of time!
Relax, and get to work! Personally, I'm still planning something
ethereal with a vocalist and a 13-limit-no-fives tonality diamond...

Do let me know if you have any questions about the Project, as I am
anxious to encourage the participation of every interested person.

5) A page of 17-tone music theory exists also at the wiki
(/SeventeenTheory), and it could certainly use some more diverse
viewpoints. Anyone have any favorite modes? Pretty graphs? Time to
churn out some didactic midi files? Germane anti-equal-temperament
slogans? (I suggest you make these only as acts of constructive
procrastination between composing spells...)

Thanks for your attention, affection, and anticipation,
Jacob

🔗hstraub64 <hstraub64@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@...> wrote:
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> 1) http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com is starving for contributions.
> The front page currently contains a list of my wiki wishes, and if
> all were in existence I would dare say that we have a vibrant
> community of microtonalists here. But they really don't, and so I
> don't. I do invite anyone in the least bit dissatisfied with the
> internet's representation of things microtonal to make their desires
> known.
>

I like the list with short descriptions of the various temperaments -
I had been wondering for a long time what all these names mean...

But, errm, what is the sense of having two wikis for the same?
Shouldn't we integrate all the content of one of them to the other one
and then close the first one?

I would say this would be the first thing to do, before adding new
content.

> 4) The deadline of the Seventeen Tone Piano Project call for scores
> is a month and a day away! C'monnn, a whole MONTH! Plenty of time!
> Relax, and get to work!

I am trying, I am trying - but a month is NOTHING... :-(

>
> 5) A page of 17-tone music theory exists also at the wiki
> (/SeventeenTheory), and it could certainly use some more diverse
> viewpoints.

First, the page is a little hard to find. I was looking for the
SeventeenTheory page under the submenu "theory". Should be there,
shouldn't it?

Then, how about adding some remarks about comparison of 17EDO with
pythagorean tuning? 17EDO and pythagorean tuning both have nice
fifths, quite large and dissonant major thirds and sharps higher than
flats. IIRC, Margo Schulter once called it "superpythagorean" - why
"super, BTW? Because the third is even larger than the pythagorean one?

Hans Straub

🔗Hudson Lacerda <hfmlacerda@...>

There:
http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/SeventeenTheory

...I found this:

<<<
[...] Two sharp/flats add up to a minor third. Two "neutral thirds" add up to a "perfect fifth." These last two properties 17-equal shares with 24-equal (quartertones).
>>>

...that seems to be wrong. In 24-EDO, two apotomes (flats/sharps) or two minor 2nds add up to a _whole tone_ (major 2nd).

Regards,
Hudson

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🔗Jacob <jbarton@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "hstraub64" <hstraub64@...> wrote:
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> I like the list with short descriptions of the various temperaments -
> I had been wondering for a long time what all these names mean...

Herman Miller is to thank for that! Has some more pages at
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/music/

> But, errm, what is the sense of having two wikis for the same?
> Shouldn't we integrate all the content of one of them to the other
one and then close the first one?

By my count there are 8 pages on the first wiki. Transfering, then,
should not be a big task. I don't understand at all why we can't
start building anew without the little old stuff there is.

> I am trying, I am trying - but a month is NOTHING... :-(

Ahh well. If I put together a similar project in the future I'll
ensure that it's even more planned ahead...

> First, the page is a little hard to find. I was looking for the
> SeventeenTheory page under the submenu "theory". Should be there,
> shouldn't it?

Done...

> Then, how about adding some remarks about comparison of 17EDO with
> pythagorean tuning? 17EDO and pythagorean tuning both have nice
> fifths, quite large and dissonant major thirds and sharps higher
than flats. IIRC, Margo Schulter once called it "superpythagorean" -
why "super, BTW? Because the third is even larger than the pythagorean
one?

That's it. As the name for the 2-rank linear temperament, it has been
abbreviated sometimes to "superpyth."

mmm

🔗Hudson Lacerda <hfmlacerda@...>

🔗Jacob <jbarton@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Hudson Lacerda <hfmlacerda@...>
wrote:
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> I have a question about the 17-tone piano:
> How its keyboard looks like?

The keyboard looks like two (normal Halberstadt) piano keyboards,
where one keyboard's black keys are tuned to (superpyth) sharps, and
another's black keys are flats. The white keys are the (superpyth)
diatonic scale, tuned the same on each piano. Two instruments acting
as one.

🔗hstraub64 <hstraub64@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jbarton@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "hstraub64" <hstraub64@> wrote:
> >
> > But, errm, what is the sense of having two wikis for the same?
> > Shouldn't we integrate all the content of one of them to the other
> one and then close the first one?
>
> By my count there are 8 pages on the first wiki. Transfering, then,
> should not be a big task. I don't understand at all why we can't
> start building anew without the little old stuff there is.
>

Well, I just would have liked some kind of decision or agreement on
which platform we are going to build up - it is a good thing when
there is one common place (or at least not too many) where all things
can be found... But we can start building anew, of course. I agree,
BTW, that the other Wiki is ugly...

> > I am trying, I am trying - but a month is NOTHING... :-(
>
> Ahh well. If I put together a similar project in the future I'll
> ensure that it's even more planned ahead...
>

Oh, it's alright - first, the month is not over yet, and then, if
there were more time, I might work less on it, so it might end up the
same... And I am not in a position to complain anyway (your offer is
quite generous!)

As for the Wiki, maybe starting with the stuff that is in the "Files"
and "Links" section of the Tuning yahoo group might be a good idea.

How, for example, about

/tuning/topicId_60639.html#60639
/tuning/topicId_60639.html#60710

?
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Hans Straub