Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic monz requests MIDI-to-.aif help

Hello all,

I've been composing a score to a terrific 18-minute short film
called "Darks and Whites". The premiere will be held this
Saturday, June 22, at 6:00 pm:

Pickford Auditorium
Claremont-McKenna College
500 E. 9th St
Claremont, CA 91711

I put a copy of the flyer advertising the premiere in the Photos
section:

http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/makemicromusic/photos/view/3011?b=1

Now for my request ... i desperately need someone to process
my MIDI files into .aif files. The MIDIs are in the Files
section here:

/makemicromusic/files/monz/darks-whites/

If .aif is not possible, .wav is acceptable.

I'm still composing 2 more MIDIs and will need them processed
when i finish them ... but right now i would really appreciate
if someone would please do these three. The directors need
them NOW.

Either the software i have which processes MIDI-to-wav doesn't
do a very good job, or something's going wrong in my system
somewhere ... but the bottom line is that i simply don't have
time to do anything now except compose. The whole thing has
to be finished by Monday morning PDT.

Overwhelmingly thankful to whomever can do this for me,

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

>I've been composing a score to a terrific 18-minute short film
>called "Darks and Whites". The premiere will be held this
>Saturday, June 22, at 6:00 pm:
>
>Pickford Auditorium
>Claremont-McKenna College
>500 E. 9th St
>Claremont, CA 91711
>
>I put a copy of the flyer advertising the premiere in the Photos
>section:
>
>http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/makemicromusic/photos/view/3011?b=1

Thanks for posting. I'll attempt to get the DVD, or see a local
release if one happens.

>Now for my request ... i desperately need someone to process
>my MIDI files into .aif files. The MIDIs are in the Files
>section here:
>
>/makemicromusic/files/monz/darks-whites/
>
>If .aif is not possible, .wav is acceptable.
>
>I'm still composing 2 more MIDIs and will need them processed
>when i finish them ... but right now i would really appreciate
>if someone would please do these three. The directors need
>them NOW.
>
>Either the software i have which processes MIDI-to-wav doesn't
>do a very good job, or something's going wrong in my system
>somewhere ... but the bottom line is that i simply don't have
>time to do anything now except compose. The whole thing has
>to be finished by Monday morning PDT.

These are pitch-bent. Are the tunings used 12-tones/oct? If
so, I can get you better results than tuning these directly
if you provide me Scala files and the unbent midis.

Trade you for a copy of, or a discount on, the first offical
Tonescape release?

-Carl

🔗Gene Ward Smith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Carl,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> These are pitch-bent. Are the tunings used 12-tones/oct? If
> so, I can get you better results than tuning these directly
> if you provide me Scala files and the unbent midis.

No, none of the tunings are 12-tone/oct.
I composed all the pieces using Tonescape, as follows:

opening:
the very beginning is 15-edo,
then 19-edo for the rest of the laundromat scene

beach scene: 22-edo

tunnel scene: 36-edo

I have to get the .aif/.wav files to the directors before
i go off to my lessons tomorrow morning, so at this stage
of the game, i can't do anything with Scala.

I was hoping that Gene could do this, because he's always
been willing to do my MIDI-to-mp3 processing before ... but
this is all super-last-minute-rush-job and i'm having trouble
emailing him.

This would mean a lot to me, for whoever can do it.
Sure, a trade for a copy of Tonescape is a deal.

-monz

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Gene,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
>
/makemicromusic/files/monz/darks-whites/
> >
> > If .aif is not possible, .wav is acceptable.
>
> I put flac files here:
>
> http://bahamas.eshockhost.com/~xenharmo/monz/
>
> Download the flac files, convert to aif, and you are done.
>

YOU ARE AWESOME!

Thanks a million.

I've uploaded one new one ... can you convert that for me now?
It's the wedding-video MIDI. Thanks.

/makemicromusic/files/monz/darks-whites/

Only one more left to compose ... i probably won't be uploading it
until around 2 or 3am.

-monz

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

🔗monz <monz@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> >> These are pitch-bent. Are the tunings used 12-tones/oct? If
> >> so, I can get you better results than tuning these directly
> >> if you provide me Scala files and the unbent midis.
> >
> >
> > No, none of the tunings are 12-tone/oct.
> > I composed all the pieces using Tonescape,
>
> I should have known. :)

I sure think Tonescape is the best tool for composing
microtonal music! ;-)

> Looks like Gene beat me to it.

Yup ... i can't thank him enough for coming thru for me.
The theater wants to preview the movie before it gives
its final blessing to go ahead with the premiere, and
the main guy is going out of town soon, so the directors
really need my finished music now.

I'm working on the last necessary piece of music now,
and imagine my surprise when i synced up with the video
the very first mock-up i made of the music, and it fit
the closing scene perfectly! ... this was without trying.

For the other scenes, i used a detailed time-sheet i made
which had the minute.second.frame timing for every new shot
and every important action within one shot. But i'm really
tired now, and just plopped notes into my Tonescape score
for this last scene. Serendipity?

> What I heard sounded pretty good!

Thanks ... wait till you see how it fits into the movie!

I'm really impressed with this film, and the directors are
really young guys, students, around 19 or 20 years old.
The quality of the movie inspired me to write what i think
is some decent music.

I hope to see LA-area folks at the premiere on Saturday!
They're expecting about 250 people so far.

Since it's not mentioned anywhere in this post, here's a
reminder of the title: Darks and Whites.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗Gene Ward Smith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗monz <monz@...>

I've put a revised version of the opening into the Files section.
Gene? (thanks)

BTW - how do you make the .flac files?
(let that be a whole different thread)

-monz

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I've been composing a score to a terrific 18-minute short film
> called "Darks and Whites". The premiere will be held this
> Saturday, June 22, at 6:00 pm:
>
> Pickford Auditorium
> Claremont-McKenna College
> 500 E. 9th St
> Claremont, CA 91711
>
> I put a copy of the flyer advertising the premiere in the Photos
> section:
>
>
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/makemicromusic/photos/view/3011?b=1
>
>
> Now for my request ... i desperately need someone to process
> my MIDI files into .aif files. The MIDIs are in the Files
> section here:
>
>
/makemicromusic/files/monz/darks-whites/
>
> If .aif is not possible, .wav is acceptable.
>
> I'm still composing 2 more MIDIs and will need them processed
> when i finish them ... but right now i would really appreciate
> if someone would please do these three. The directors need
> them NOW.
>
> Either the software i have which processes MIDI-to-wav doesn't
> do a very good job, or something's going wrong in my system
> somewhere ... but the bottom line is that i simply don't have
> time to do anything now except compose. The whole thing has
> to be finished by Monday morning PDT.
>
>
>
> Overwhelmingly thankful to whomever can do this for me,
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>

🔗monz <monz@...>

Thanks, Gene!

I have to quote Paul now: I love you.
:)

I swear, i keep liking this movie more and more
each time i see it. I really appreciate your help.

-monz

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
>
> > I've uploaded one new one ... can you convert that for me now?
> > It's the wedding-video MIDI. Thanks.
>
> It's up.
>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <genewardsmith@...>

🔗monz <monz@...>

🔗aum <aum@...>

🔗yahya_melb <yahya@...>

Hi monz,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" wrote:
>[snip]
> I composed all the pieces using Tonescape, as follows:
>
> opening:
> the very beginning is 15-edo,
> then 19-edo for the rest of the laundromat scene
>
> beach scene: 22-edo
>
> tunnel scene: 36-edo

Very strong mood evocations, for me.

Do you find you associate particular tunings with different moods?
eg would it have been practical to do the tunnel scene in 15-EDO,
or the beach scene in 36-EDO?

Or does each mood you intend to convey automatically conjure up
specific tunings (and perhaps [rotation] modes)?

Regards,
Yahya

🔗yahya_melb <yahya@...>

Hi monz,

Very strong mood evocations, for me.

Do you find you associate particular tunings with different moods?
eg would it have been practical to do the tunnel scene in 15-EDO,
or the beach scene in 36-EDO?

Or does each mood you intend to convey automatically conjure up
specific tunings (and perhaps [rotation] modes)?

Regards,
Yahya

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Yayha,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" <yahya@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi monz,
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" wrote:
> >[snip]
> > I composed all the pieces using Tonescape, as follows:
> >
> > opening:
> > the very beginning is 15-edo,
> > then 19-edo for the rest of the laundromat scene
> >
> > beach scene: 22-edo
> >
> > tunnel scene: 36-edo
>
> Very strong mood evocations, for me.
>
> Do you find you associate particular tunings with different moods?
> eg would it have been practical to do the tunnel scene in 15-EDO,
> or the beach scene in 36-EDO?
>
> Or does each mood you intend to convey automatically conjure up
> specific tunings (and perhaps [rotation] modes)?

I was under a lot of time pressure to compose this score,
and as always when i'm up against a tight deadline with
a composition, a lot of serendipity miraculously occurs
and helps me to do a good job with the composition.
That was definitely the case here.

Honestly, i didn't put a whole lot of premeditated thought
into associating the tunings with the moods -- it pretty
much "just happened".

I started out knowing that i wanted to use 15, 19, 22, and
36-edo as my tunings. Then somehow as i got ideas for the
music to accompany certain parts of the script (and later,
after i got the finished-DVD-without-music, the movie itself),
the tuning i chose seemed to evoke the moods i wanted quite
automatically.

I wish i could say more about it, but it really did kind of
fall together on its own. The most amazing thing to me was
how what i thought was my very rough synchronization of the
scenes with the music as i was composing it, turned out to
be quite accurately synchronized after all ... and in many
places where i didn't even try at all, the music synched
perfectly with the video!

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗monz <monz@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:

> I started out knowing that i wanted to use 15, 19, 22, and
> 36-edo as my tunings. Then somehow as i got ideas for the
> music to accompany certain parts of the script (and later,
> after i got the finished-DVD-without-music, the movie itself),
> the tuning i chose seemed to evoke the moods i wanted quite
> automatically.

I guess one thing that i can add is that i definitely wanted
a larger palette of available pitches for the tunnel scene,
so that's why i used 36-edo for that one.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗yahya_melb <yahya@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" wrote:
>
> > I started out knowing that i wanted to use 15, 19, 22, and
> > 36-edo as my tunings. Then somehow as i got ideas for the
> > music to accompany certain parts of the script (and later,
> > after i got the finished-DVD-without-music, the movie itself),
> > the tuning i chose seemed to evoke the moods i wanted quite
> > automatically.
>
> I guess one thing that i can add is that i definitely wanted
> a larger palette of available pitches for the tunnel scene,
> so that's why i used 36-edo for that one.

Thanks for the information.

I guess this goes to show that once you've soaked yourself in an
idiom for long enough, you can move to the point where you can skip
some preliminary steps, and go with the flow. Your previous
investments in exploring these tuning resources have paid off
handsomely! Don't ever tell anyone that the music took you only x
days to write, because that would ignore the years of preparation, -
playing, listening, sharpening your sensibilities and knowledge of
what works.

SERENDIPITY - Sweat Eventually Returns (Ever Non-Deterministically)
Illumination Passing Information, Thank You!

Regards,
Yahya

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Yahya,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" <yahya@...> wrote:
>
> I guess this goes to show that once you've soaked yourself
> in an idiom for long enough, you can move to the point where
> you can skip some preliminary steps, and go with the flow.
> Your previous investments in exploring these tuning resources
> have paid off handsomely! Don't ever tell anyone that the
> music took you only x days to write, because that would ignore
> the years of preparation, - playing, listening, sharpening
> your sensibilities and knowledge of what works.

Well, honestly the only tuning in the set i used for this
score with which i've had extensive previous experience is
19-edo.

Listening to Paul Erlich's 22-edo pieces and retuning the
Beatles's _Glass Onion_ into 22 gave me some feel for what
that can do. But i only recently began exploring 15 and 36.

I have to say that of all the pieces for the score, the
one i am happiest with is the "tunnel scene", in 36-edo.

I'm glad you liked my score so much. And i'm sure that you're
at least partly correct about having "soaked myself in an
idiom". But rather than credit my success to "previous
investments in exploring these tuning resources", i'd have
to say that most of it is due simply to the ease with which
i was able to compose the score in Tonescape.

I've mentioned often in the past on the main tuning list
that my musical training taught me how to compose by writing
notes directly from my mind onto paper. For the years that
i used Cakewalk (c.1992-2002) i was able to use the analogue
of clicking notes directly on the staff on the computer screen.
But of course, to make microtonal music in Cakewalk required
a lot of extra work inserting pitch-bends.

With Tonescape, it's very easy for me to pick a tuning and
set up a new Musical Piece, then just click away on the
Pitch Height score window to insert notes into the piece.
For the music i composed for _Darks and Whites_, i really
didn't even use the Lattice much. It was very much a process
of imagining the sonic gesture in my mind in terms of the
pitches needed, and then just entering them directly into
the score.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗yahya_melb <yahya@...>

Hi monz,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" wrote:
>
...
> Well, honestly the only tuning in the set i used for this
> score with which i've had extensive previous experience is
> 19-edo.
>
> Listening to Paul Erlich's 22-edo pieces and retuning the
> Beatles's _Glass Onion_ into 22 gave me some feel for what
> that can do. But i only recently began exploring 15 and 36.
>
> I have to say that of all the pieces for the score, the
> one i am happiest with is the "tunnel scene", in 36-edo.

That's my favourite, too.

> I'm glad you liked my score so much. And i'm sure that you're
> at least partly correct about having "soaked myself in an
> idiom". But rather than credit my success to "previous
> investments in exploring these tuning resources", i'd have
> to say that most of it is due simply to the ease with which
> i was able to compose the score in Tonescape.

Still singing Tonescape's praises!

> I've mentioned often in the past on the main tuning list
> that my musical training taught me how to compose by writing
> notes directly from my mind onto paper. ...

That's mostly how I do it, too. But the "music paper" I've used for
the last decade has mostly been NoteWorthy Composer (NWC).

> ... For the years that
> i used Cakewalk (c.1992-2002) i was able to use the analogue
> of clicking notes directly on the staff on the computer screen.

I can do that in NWC, too, but pressing keys on the QWERTY keyboard
is far more efficient in NWC.

> But of course, to make microtonal music in Cakewalk required
> a lot of extra work inserting pitch-bends.

Ditto NWC. :-(

> With Tonescape, it's very easy for me to pick a tuning and
> set up a new Musical Piece, then just click away on the
> Pitch Height score window to insert notes into the piece.

I'd like that - particularly if it also offers keyboard shortcuts
for note entry and editing. Those in NWC are very good.

> For the music i composed for _Darks and Whites_, i really
> didn't even use the Lattice much. It was very much a process
> of imagining the sonic gesture in my mind in terms of the
> pitches needed, and then just entering them directly into
> the score.

Excellent! Minimal disruption to the imaginative process.

monz, I'm so happy for you, that the Tonescape software is working
so well for you. But I'm also very disappointed that I can't use do
the same yet. It does seem a very promising tool, and as I have
strictly limited energy and time available, I do need the most
efficient tools possible.

Regards,
Yahya

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Yahya,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" <yahya@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi monz,
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" wrote:
> >
> ...
>
> > I'm glad you liked my score so much. And i'm sure that you're
> > at least partly correct about having "soaked myself in an
> > idiom". But rather than credit my success to "previous
> > investments in exploring these tuning resources", i'd have
> > to say that most of it is due simply to the ease with which
> > i was able to compose the score in Tonescape.
>
> Still singing Tonescape's praises!

Well ... no one else is doing it yet!

> > With Tonescape, it's very easy for me to pick a tuning and
> > set up a new Musical Piece, then just click away on the
> > Pitch Height score window to insert notes into the piece.
>
> I'd like that - particularly if it also offers keyboard shortcuts
> for note entry and editing. Those in NWC are very good.

Tonescape doesn't do that yet, but it will.

> > For the music i composed for _Darks and Whites_, i really
> > didn't even use the Lattice much. It was very much a process
> > of imagining the sonic gesture in my mind in terms of the
> > pitches needed, and then just entering them directly into
> > the score.
>
> Excellent! Minimal disruption to the imaginative process.
>
> monz, I'm so happy for you, that the Tonescape software is working
> so well for you. But I'm also very disappointed that I can't use do
> the same yet. It does seem a very promising tool, and as I have
> strictly limited energy and time available, I do need the most
> efficient tools possible.

Wow, i had gotten so busy over the last couple of months
that i forgot all about the unresolved problems we had
when we tried to set you up as a test user. I've written
you offlist ... we'll try again now to get you going.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

🔗monz <monz@...>

Hi Carl and everyone,

Sorry ... i should have mentioned this before, but
was very busy over the weekend and forgot ...

You may recall that i posted last week that our website
was momentarily shut down. Our host got reports of us
sending out spam, which we have never done and will never do.
Apparently our security was compromised and someone else
hijacked our server to send out junk.

We got the website running again right away, but turned off
our SMTP, so all of the tonalsoft email address are currently
not working, until we can fix the problem.

Please send emails to me at this address for now:

monz(AT)cox.net

... or if you can't remember where this post is, just send it
to my yahoo address.

And please resend, to either of these addresses,
any emails you've sent to a tonalsoft address since July 17.
Thanks.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
>
> I don't know if you're reading the list on the web, but apparently
> you didn't get my e-mail, sent to your tonalsoft address on the
> 19th, and the one I just tried to send you bounced with a "reply
> limit exceeded" or something like that. I think your server has
> a problem.
>
> -Carl
>