Variable intervals in Arabic/Turkish music

Margo's comments on how intervals vary in size in Middle Eastern style music are reminiscent of playing blues, where a singer/instrumentalist will place a pitch in different places, depending on their mood at the time. In fact, when I realized, some years ago, that an interval could be in more than one position, it was a major breakthrough in my understanding of much music around the world. It's the basic concept that is important, and whether or not I know exactly how many cents or what ratio a pitch lands on is not a big deal. That's why theory is such a tricky business, cause the players may be doing something a bit different from what the theorists say. And that's ok by me...HHH

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hyall

I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:

http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/

there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.

thanks

Dante

>hyall
>
>I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
>
>http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
>
>there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
>sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>
>thanks
>
>Dante

I'm so glad you did this. What a joy coming back to your
music after so many years. It feels like a sweet tie between
that time in the world and this one.

-Carl

Dante,

Gorgeous, and gorgeously played. Dynamics and expressive use of time are just
right. The composition is sophisticated in its simplicity...I love it, as I
love all your work. Keep 'em coming!

BTW, I think you are the JI answer to Leo Kottke...I hear many similar motifs
in his work and yours...maybe it's just a guitar thing, or do you like
Kottke's stuff?

Best,
Aaron.

On Tuesday 04 July 2006 11:24 pm, Dante Rosati wrote:
> hyall
>
> I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
>
> http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
>
> there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
> sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>
> thanks
>
> Dante
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Quoting Dante Rosati <dante@...>:

> I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
>
> http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
>
> there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more
> live
> sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.

Dante,

So great to hear another JI Guitar piece from you! I remember downloading and listening to your other
guitar pieces some years ago. This recording is of good quality. As for reverb -- it might be nice to
have some but I think it stands quite well without it also. I like its fairly upbeat tempo. It tends to
make me think of dancing.

Keep up the good work!

Jay Rinkel

At 11:00 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote:
>Quoting Dante Rosati <dante@...>:
>
>> I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
>>
>> http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
>>
>> there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more
>> live
>> sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>
>Dante,
>
>So great to hear another JI Guitar piece from you! I remember
>downloading and listening to your other guitar pieces some years ago.
>This recording is of good quality. As for reverb -- it might be nice
>to have some but I think it stands quite well without it also.

Please register my vote for no reverb.

-Carl

Nice piece, Dante, thanks for posting it.

- Dave

Dante Rosati wrote:
> hyall
> > I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
> > http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
> > there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
> sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
> > thanks
> > Dante

> > I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar.

Really nice, thanks! What kind of tuning are you using?

The only benefit of reverb IMO is that when I listen I don't feel like
I'm being shoved in your sound hole ;)

Chris

>I'm so glad you did this. What a joy coming back to your
>music after so many years. It feels like a sweet tie between
>that time in the world and this one.
>
>-Carl

Thanks so much for your kind words Carl. glad you liked it!

Dante

Dante,

{you wrote...}
>I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:

Dante, lovely piece and performance - so good to hear breath and flesh and human contact! For my own curiosity, I've run the file through differing reverb settings, both for a concert hall emulation was well as small guitar rooms. I happen to prefer those to a really dry setting, but it is so individual - especially for a solo instrument like this - that you are probably fine putting it out dry.

If you have any interest, I could upload a couple of treatments, and if anything sounded good to you, you could send me the original non-mp3 file. I'm using both algorithmic and convolution reverbs.

But all that is blather - nice to hear the music!

Cheers,
Jon

P.S. I'm going to get around to some of the other recent posted pieces, like Dave's but I had to check out work from my old pal Dante, so stingy with his music... :)

CL,

{you wrote...}
>Please register my vote for no reverb.

I'm sure we all already did. :)

Cheers,
Jon

>Gorgeous, and gorgeously played. Dynamics and expressive use of
>time are just
>right. The composition is sophisticated in its simplicity...I love
>it, as I
>love all your work. Keep 'em coming!
>
>BTW, I think you are the JI answer to Leo Kottke...I hear many
>similar motifs
>in his work and yours...maybe it's just a guitar thing, or do you like
>Kottke's stuff?
>
>Best,
>Aaron.

Hi Aaron-

This one might sound especially like Kottke because i was deliberately using
a folk/blues style picking pattern. The next one will be even more so, its a
kind of country-style breakdown. Hope to have it up soon. Thanks for the
feedback!

Dante

>Dante,
>
>So great to hear another JI Guitar piece from you! I remember
>downloading and listening to your other
>guitar pieces some years ago. This recording is of good quality.
>As for reverb -- it might be nice to
>have some but I think it stands quite well without it also. I
>like its fairly upbeat tempo. It tends to
>make me think of dancing.
>
>Keep up the good work!
>
>Jay Rinkel

Thanks Jay. I'm glad to hear it made you think of dancing- that seems like a
good thing to me!

Dante

Dante Rosati wrote:

>hyall
>
>I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
>
>http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
>
>there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
>sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>

Sounds fine the way it is. Love it.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

>Dante, lovely piece and performance - so good to hear breath and
>flesh and human contact! For my own curiosity, I've run the file
>through differing reverb settings, both for a concert hall
>emulation was well as small guitar rooms. I happen to prefer those
>to a really dry setting, but it is so individual - especially for
>a solo instrument like this - that you are probably fine putting
>it out dry.
>
>If you have any interest, I could upload a couple of treatments,
>and if anything sounded good to you, you could send me the
>original non-mp3 file. I'm using both algorithmic and convolution reverbs.
>
>But all that is blather - nice to hear the music!
>
>Cheers,
>Jon

Thanks Jon. I would actually like to hear what some decent reberb might
sound like. i have some directx and vst plugins but they all sound like
crap, which is why i ended up using no fx at all. so if theres an easy way
to hang them, i'd be happy to hear what you came up with.

thanks

Dante

It is good to hear such heart felt music finding such a good home in such subtle use of intervals and interval shifts.
It is also quite beautiful and skillful how you take your material through quite a few little worlds, reinventing just where it is all coming from.
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, <microstick@...> wrote:
>
Thanks. -Stephen

> Margo's comments on how intervals vary in size in Middle
Eastern style music are reminiscent of playing blues, where a
singer/instrumentalist will place a pitch in different places,
depending on their mood at the time. In fact, when I realized, some
years ago, that an interval could be in more than one position, it
was a major breakthrough in my understanding of much music around
the world. It's the basic concept that is important, and whether or
not I know exactly how many cents or what ratio a pitch lands on is
not a big deal. That's why theory is such a tricky business, cause
the players may be doing something a bit different from what the
theorists say. And that's ok by me...HHH
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>It is good to hear such heart felt music finding such a good home in
>such subtle use of intervals and interval shifts.
> It is also quite beautiful and skillful how you take your material
>through quite a few little worlds, reinventing just where it is all
>coming from.

Thanks Kraig. I work out these pieces by improvising and building up ideas
bit by bit, trying different interval variations and (hopefully) remembering
what sounds good. Mostly I couldn't even tell you what intervals I'm
playing, after paying attention to that sort of thing while designing the
tuning system, since then I just doodle and listen: its all done by ear.

This is pretty much the way i work once the tuning is done i might play through certain things but often prefer to 'reach and discover' what is there.
and you were doing that quite well!

Dante Rosati wrote:
>> It is good to hear such heart felt music finding such a good home in
>> such subtle use of intervals and interval shifts.
>> It is also quite beautiful and skillful how you take your material
>> through quite a few little worlds, reinventing just where it is all
>> coming from.
>> >
> Thanks Kraig. I work out these pieces by improvising and building up ideas
> bit by bit, trying different interval variations and (hopefully) remembering
> what sounds good. Mostly I couldn't even tell you what intervals I'm
> playing, after paying attention to that sort of thing while designing the
> tuning system, since then I just doodle and listen: its all done by ear.
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Dante Rosati wrote:
> hyall
> > I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can find it here:
> > http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
> > there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with trying to get a more live
> sound. let me know if it works or you think it needs some 'verb.
> > thanks
> > Dante

I think this sounds great as is -- no need for added reverb.

Hi Dante,

--- In MakeMicroMusic, Jay Rinkel wrote:
>
> Quoting Dante Rosati <dante@...>:
>
> > I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can
> > find it here:
> >
> > http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
> >
> > there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with
> > trying to get a more live sound. let me know if it
> > works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>
> Dante,
>
> So great to hear another JI Guitar piece from you!
> I remember downloading and listening to your other
> guitar pieces some years ago. This recording is of
> good quality. As for reverb -- it might be nice to
> have some but I think it stands quite well without
> it also. I like its fairly upbeat tempo. It tends
> to make me think of dancing.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Jay Rinkel
>

No reverb, please! I like the clean sounds, just as
they are. The recording has a good presence. (You
might just add a little cough at the end ...)

Very pleasant to listen to. The overall compostion
has a nice balance and curve to it, too.

Encore!

Regards,
Yahya

Hi Dante,

--- In MakeMicroMusic, Jay Rinkel wrote:
>
> Quoting Dante Rosati <dante@...>:
>
> > I recorded a new piece on my 21t-ji guitar. u can
> > find it here:
> >
> > http://nagarjuna.onlinestoragesolution.com/new%20ji/
> >
> > there are no fx on this- i am experimenting with
> > trying to get a more live sound. let me know if it
> > works or you think it needs some 'verb.
>
> Dante,
>
> So great to hear another JI Guitar piece from you!
> I remember downloading and listening to your other
> guitar pieces some years ago. This recording is of
> good quality. As for reverb -- it might be nice to
> have some but I think it stands quite well without
> it also. I like its fairly upbeat tempo. It tends
> to make me think of dancing.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Jay Rinkel
>

No reverb, please! I like the clean sounds, just as
they are. The recording has a good presence. (You
might just add a little cough at the end ...)

Very pleasant to listen to. The overall compostion
has a nice balance and curve to it, too.

Encore!

Regards,
Yahya

>No reverb, please! I like the clean sounds, just as
>they are. The recording has a good presence. (You
>might just add a little cough at the end ...)
>
>Very pleasant to listen to. The overall compostion
>has a nice balance and curve to it, too.
>
>Encore!
>
>Regards,
>Yahya

thanks Yahya! just working out the middle section of the next piece, hope to
have it up soon.

Dante

A great piece. I like the way it's idiomatic in a guitarish sense but lets you know where the action is. And it's a decent length. As for reverb I'd be wondering why you'd really want to place the performance in an artificial space. Anyway it makes me want to go back to my 22 tet guitar and write again.

james

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