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Hi All

I've been e-mailing someone that isn't on these lists but
listens to a lot of 12 EDO music and also knows some tuning.

Is the 24 note scale used in the Arab world, 24 EDO?

(He has listened to non-12 EDO music and is NOT impressed.)

This is it for this moment,

-Stephen

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "J.Smith" <jsmith9624@...>
wrote:
>
> J. Smith

++++ Thanks for the reply. I'm getting your response out
to him now.

-Stephen

>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
> <stephen_szpak@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I've been e-mailing someone that isn't on these lists but
> > listens to a lot of 12 EDO music and also knows some tuning.
> >
> > Is the 24 note scale used in the Arab world, 24 EDO?
>
> Yahya, Ozan, Shaahin and many others on the list are really the
best
> authorities to ask on this, so seek a second opinion...but speaking
> generally, no it isn't. Mikhail Mashaqa (1800 - 1889) proposed 24-
edo
> for Middle Eastern music, but there were -- and are -- many
different
> 24-tone tunings used by both theorists and practising musicians.
>
> Theorists tended toward various Pythagorean tunings based on a
> succession of pure fourths or fifths, or the addition/subtraction
of
> commas from scale tones. Musicians might use any variation of
> theoretical positions, as personal taste or tradition dictated.
>
> I believe there is much discussion in the Middle East these days
as to
> the use of high-number, equal divisions for accurately representing
> traditional scales and modes. Even 24-edo is used by some I
believe, but
> may not be very widespread. Again, ask someone who knows firsthand.
>
> > (He has listened to non-12 EDO music and is NOT impressed.)
>
> LOL...oh, well. I frequently get the same reaction out here in the
Great
> Dustbowl -- "Them twelve tones wuz good 'nuff fer my pappy an' his
pappy
> a'fore him, so take yore my-crow-toons and git outta heer, you
> left-wing-librul-pinko-commie-democrat-atheist-tree-hugger!" Take
heart,
> Stephen....he may come around eventually.
>

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>, "stephenszpak"
> <stephen_szpak@
> ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I've been e-mailing someone that isn't on these lists but
> > listens to a lot of 12 EDO music and also knows some tuning.
> >
> > Is the 24 note scale used in the Arab world, 24 EDO?
>
> Yahya, Ozan, Shaahin and many others on the list are really the best
> authorities to ask on this, so seek a second opinion...but speaking
> generally, no it isn't. Mikhail Mashaqa (1800 - 1889) proposed 24-edo
> for Middle Eastern music, but there were -- and are -- many different
> 24-tone tunings used by both theorists and practising musicians.
>
> Theorists tended toward various Pythagorean tunings based on a
> succession of pure fourths or fifths, or the addition/subtraction of
> commas from scale tones. Musicians might use any variation of
> theoretical positions, as personal taste or tradition dictated.
>
> I believe there is much discussion in the Middle East these days as to
> the use of high-number, equal divisions for accurately representing
> traditional scales and modes. Even 24-edo is used by some I believe, but
> may not be very widespread. Again, ask someone who knows firsthand.

24tet is, in fact, used in Arabic-speaking countries, and for better or worse (i.e. that's a debate I'm not getting into), is widespread. When used, it is a modern, cultivated, and practical solution or compromise to well-known historical tuning problems. It is not widely used, if at all, in any of the non-Arabic countries in the region which have inherited the Hellenistic/Near and Middle Eastern/Islamicate traditions (e.g. Turkey, Greece, Iran, Armenia).

DJW

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Wolf <djwolf@...>
wrote:
>
> > > > > Daniel

Thanks for the reply. -Stephen
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I've been e-mailing someone that isn't on these lists but
> > > listens to a lot of 12 EDO music and also knows some tuning.
> > >
> > > Is the 24 note scale used in the Arab world, 24 EDO?
> >
> >
> 24tet is, in fact, used in Arabic-speaking countries, and for
better or
> worse (i.e. that's a debate I'm not getting into), is widespread.
When
> used, it is a modern, cultivated, and practical solution or
compromise
> to well-known historical tuning problems. It is not widely used,
if at
> all, in any of the non-Arabic countries in the region which have
> inherited the Hellenistic/Near and Middle Eastern/Islamicate
traditions
> (e.g. Turkey, Greece, Iran, Armenia).
>
> DJW
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "stephenszpak"
<stephen_szpak@...> wrote:

Since I'm here I guess I'll finish up with this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain

The middle classes tend to have a very cosmopolitan outlook, and
with rap music very popular among Bahrain's youth. DJ Whoo Kid said
of DJing in Bahrain: "Growing up in Queens Village, New York, I
really didn't know what to expect upon my arrival in a Muslim
country. I expected to see camels, cement homes and vehicles that
could handle sand, like Jeep Wranglers or Land Cruisers. To my
surprise, I was greeted by teenagers blasting music by Mobb Deep,
Jay Z, 2Pac, Biggie Smalls, Eminem and 50 Cent. When I turned on the
radio I heard a variety of music that included the Black Eyed Peas,
Sean Paul and the Pussycat Dolls. The hottest music — and I hear a
lot as a DJ for Eminem's Shade 45 channel on Sirius Satellite Radio —
was the Arabic hip-hop remixes and beats I heard on the radio. It
made me realize why many producers in the U.S. are sampling them
like crazy."

I just found this now. I didn't try to set anybody up. I can
see here that when I think of Arab music I MUST think of 12 EDO,
to some extent, since they listen to it ( and probably make it)
over there.

-Stephen

> > > >
> > > > Is the 24 note scale used in the Arab world, 24 EDO?
> > >
> > >
> > 24tet is, in fact, used in Arabic-speaking countries, and for
> better or
> > worse (i.e. that's a debate I'm not getting into), is
widespread.
> When
> > used, it is a modern, cultivated, and practical solution or
> compromise
> > to well-known historical tuning problems. It is not widely
used,
> if at
> > all, in any of the non-Arabic countries in the region which have
> > inherited the Hellenistic/Near and Middle Eastern/Islamicate
> traditions
> > (e.g. Turkey, Greece, Iran, Armenia).
> >
> > DJW
> >
>