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Microtuning in English Byzantine Chant audio Cd

🔗karim8411 <karim8411@...>

6/22/2006 10:36:13 PM

Dear All,

I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
Byzantine Liturgy in English.

For more information please visit Microtuning in English
<http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio>

http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html
<http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html>

+SBDK

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🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

6/23/2006 1:38:08 AM

> I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
> Byzantine Liturgy in English.

This is a fascinating recording.

The sample link for track 2 is broken, by the way.

Is the notation on the cd written with standard accidentals? I think
that a performance by a micro-illiterate ensemble would not have the
same effect at all.

I really liked track 9.

Chris

🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

6/23/2006 1:46:55 AM

By the way, there's really interesting documentation/tutorials on the
chant! Apparently, theorists define the modes according to 72-edo...

Maybe some people know this already, but it's news to me...

chris

On 6/23/06, c. m. bryan <chrismbryan@...> wrote:
> > I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
> > Byzantine Liturgy in English.
>
> This is a fascinating recording.
>
> The sample link for track 2 is broken, by the way.
>
> Is the notation on the cd written with standard accidentals? I think
> that a performance by a micro-illiterate ensemble would not have the
> same effect at all.
>
> I really liked track 9.
>
> Chris
>

--
"... free speech is meaningless if the commercial cacophony has risen
to the point that no one can hear you." -Naomi Klein

🔗karim8411 <karim8411@...>

6/23/2006 2:43:15 AM

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>
wrote:
>
> > I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
> > Byzantine Liturgy in English.
>
> This is a fascinating recording.
>
> The sample link for track 2 is broken, by the way.
>
> Is the notation on the cd written with standard accidentals? I
think
> that a performance by a micro-illiterate ensemble would not have the
> same effect at all.
>
> I really liked track 9.
>
> Chris
>

Chris,

I did fix the broken link. However, the music is written in Byzantine
notation.

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

6/23/2006 9:12:12 AM

Awesome! I can't wait to hear it.

-Carl

>Dear All,
>
>I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
>Byzantine Liturgy in English.
>
>For more information please visit Microtuning in English
><http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio>
>
>http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html
><http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html>
>
>+SBDK

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

6/23/2006 9:28:04 AM

At 09:12 AM 6/23/2006, you wrote:
>Awesome! I can't wait to hear it.

Hey, the first track has the same text, and about the same tune,
that we used every Sunday in my Lutheran church growing up.

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

6/23/2006 9:30:34 AM

At 01:46 AM 6/23/2006, you wrote:
>By the way, there's really interesting documentation/tutorials on the
>chant! Apparently, theorists define the modes according to 72-edo...
>
>Maybe some people know this already, but it's news to me...

Where did you find the tutorials?

-Carl

🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

6/23/2006 2:11:31 PM

> Where did you find the tutorials?

http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/byzantine.html

There are several links to instructive articles at the top of that
page, including downloadable pdfs.

IMO, learning to *sing* in a microtonal system is a worthwhile
endeavor for anyone.

-Chris

🔗Carl Lumma <ekin@...>

6/23/2006 2:41:30 PM

At 02:11 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote:
>> Where did you find the tutorials?
>
>http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/byzantine.html

Great site. I can't get the hard, soft, and enharmonic
mode links to work, though.

"There are 72 "comas" or micro steps in an octave, For example,
a full tone is equal to 12 comas. The distance from Ga(F) to
Di (G) is 12 comas. However, the distance from Pa(D) to Vou(E)
is 10 comas. 10 comas is = -33.33 cents."

This is consistent with 72-tET, except 10 comas has to be
more than 33 cents.

The most interesting aspect of Byzantine notation is that
it's relative. A note doesn't tell you the absolute pitch
to perform, but rather a distance and direction from the
previous pitch. In some ways, this reveals the structure
of music better, and is probably great for learning relative
pitch skills. But the disadvantage is that if you get
lost when sight-reading, you're screwed.

It strikes me that a middle ground might be interesting:
Give a Western note at the start of each measure, and
relative motions for the rest of the measure. That way
if you get lost you can pick up on the next measure.

-Carl

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

6/23/2006 3:04:30 PM

i don't know of any better way of learning a tuning

c.m.bryan wrote:
>
>
> IMO, learning to *sing* in a microtonal system is a worthwhile
> endeavor for anyone.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

🔗Magnus Jonsson <magnus@...>

6/23/2006 9:14:34 PM

This sounds absolutely gorgeous, both in English and Arabic. It's so releiving to hear a choir with great intonation, that can hit the 5/4s correctly. I get the same feeling as with Indian music which I'm slightly more familiar with. I'm constantly amazed by Arabic and Indian music.

Thanks Karim! (Is that your name?)

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, karim8411 wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
> Byzantine Liturgy in English.
>
> For more information please visit Microtuning in English
> <http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio>
>
> http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html
> <http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html>
>
> +SBDK
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

🔗karim8411 <karim8411@...>

7/8/2006 10:27:50 AM

Thanks for your nice words. Yes, my name is Karim. There is a book
which will be published very soon (next week) that will conatian the
music in both Byzantine and Western notation.

SBDK

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Jonsson <magnus@...>
wrote:
>
> This sounds absolutely gorgeous, both in English and Arabic. It's
so
> releiving to hear a choir with great intonation, that can hit the
5/4s
> correctly. I get the same feeling as with Indian music which I'm
slightly
> more familiar with. I'm constantly amazed by Arabic and Indian
music.
>
> Thanks Karim! (Is that your name?)
>
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, karim8411 wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I have made the first microtuning recording in English. It is the
> > Byzantine Liturgy in English.
> >
> > For more information please visit Microtuning in English
> > <http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio>
> >
> > http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html
> > <http://www.kelfar.net/orthodoxiaradio/Catalog/CD_Eng1.html>
> >
> > +SBDK
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>

🔗c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>

7/9/2006 2:37:48 PM

> Thanks for your nice words. Yes, my name is Karim. There is a book
> which will be published very soon (next week) that will conatian the
> music in both Byzantine and Western notation.

Please announce it when it is released!

Chris

🔗karim8411 <karim8411@...>

7/11/2006 9:51:44 AM

Chris,

The book is in print and will be ready early next week.

Thanks
--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, c.m.bryan <chrismbryan@...>
wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your nice words. Yes, my name is Karim. There is a book
> > which will be published very soon (next week) that will conatian
the
> > music in both Byzantine and Western notation.
>
> Please announce it when it is released!
>
> Chris
>