Scott leads Gann to (partial) Nirvana

Sometime list member X. J. Scott gets usual list member Kyle Gann a long way down the road to (current) microtonal nirvana. A good case lesson for those wanting to adopt new technologies, a nice endorsement of a single-developer product, and maybe someone here (Bill?) can help with the Kontakt issues:

http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2006/03/voluntary_commercial_endorseme.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/h6rek

Cheers,
Jon

Doesn't Scala do the same thing?

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@...m, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>
wrote:
>
> Sometime list member X. J. Scott gets usual list member Kyle Gann
a long way down the road to (current) microtonal nirvana. A good
case lesson for those wanting to adopt new technologies, a nice
endorsement of a single-developer product, and maybe someone here
(Bill?) can help with the Kontakt issues:
>
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2006/03/voluntary_commercial_e
ndorseme.html
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h6rek
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

Yes, thanks, Jon. It's true, I am *this* close to performing microtonally through my
computer. But in trying Kontakt II on either my G4 laptop or my G5 desktop, whether with
the samples on the hard drive or on an external firewire drive, the sounds clip and quickly
overextend the CPU meter. The bigger the sample, the worse it buzzes. A student
assistant in the electronic program tells me I need to obtain a separate internal hard drive
to keep the samples on, and it must have 10,000 rpm capacity. This is a pain - besides the
money, I don't think one will fit on my laptop, and the G5 belongs to the school, not to
me. I'll do this if I get plenty of experienced assurances that it's what I need, but it feels
like just one more in an endless series of hurdles. Anyone using Kontakt II without an
extra internal drive? with?

Thanks for any help,

Kyle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Sometime list member X. J. Scott gets usual list member Kyle Gann a long way down the
road to (current) microtonal nirvana. A good case lesson for those wanting to adopt new
technologies, a nice endorsement of a single-developer product, and maybe someone
here (Bill?) can help with the Kontakt issues:
>
> http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2006/03/
voluntary_commercial_endorseme.html
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h6rek
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>Doesn't Scala do the same thing?

Scala does *similar* things, but - though I haven't used LMSO since I'm on a PC - LMSO is really geared towards musical usage and a tighter interface with synths, less as a research tool. I use Scala all the time, but many times wish it were easier to integrate into the work flow.

Cheers,
Jon

Kyle,

{you wrote...}
>I'll do this if I get plenty of experienced assurances that it's what I need, but it feels like just one more in an endless series of hurdles.

Sigh. It's an awful feeling! :(

>Anyone using Kontakt II without an extra internal drive? with?

Hopefully Bill will chime it, as I know he has been using KII for a while. Are you maxed out in the RAM department? That might help. It also might be that you could find a sample set that wasn't as large, but still give a good sound (i.e. pianos can be big hogs). I'll ask a couple of other people as well. You'll get there, eventually...

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:

> Are you maxed out in the RAM department? That might help. It also might be that you
could find a sample set that wasn't as large, but still give a good sound (i.e. pianos can be
big hogs). I'll ask a couple of other people as well. You'll get there, eventually...

No, I cleaned 15 gb off my hard drive and added 512 mg of RAM just for this purpose.
Perhaps Scala would have done the same thing as LMSO, but I found it more difficult to
use, and never got anywhere with it. I found the way to define scales particularly easy to
understand and use in LMSO. Remember, I came late in life to all this technology, and
don't possess any particular talent for it. That's why I rely on all you smart guys.

Kyle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
>
> Doesn't Scala do the same thing?

It's also free, instead of costing $165, which seems steep for tuning
software. But no one will say it has the "clearest, best-written
software help text I've ever seen", that's for sure.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
>
> Doesn't Scala do the same thing?

That's like saying Firefox and Internet Explorer do the same thing.
But for some people, the features of Firefox and its extensions make
all the difference.

You can review the LMSO's feature set in detail here:

http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/

http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/knead_fold.html

http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/thermometer.html

Also, if you have a synth that can't be retuned by Scala, just ask
Jeff and he'll probably go out and search every nook and cranny of
that synth's architecture to get it tuned to what you want.

Actually in that case you should certainly work directly with Manuel to get the support implemented in an updated version of Scala. That's how I got support added for the Korg M1. Manual is a pleasure to work with.

That said, I would live to be able to use LMSO as well as Scala, but I don't have a Mac. :-(

- Dave

paolovalladolid wrote:
> Also, if you have a synth that can't be retuned by Scala, just ask
> Jeff and he'll probably go out and search every nook and cranny of
> that synth's architecture to get it tuned to what you want.

Dave,

{you wrote...}
>That said, I would live to be able to use LMSO as well as Scala, but I don't have a Mac. :-(

Same here. I'd gladly support Jeff with a purchase on the day it gets ported.

Cheers,
Jon

So scala gets a lot of spyware, but lmso has memory leaks? :)

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <phv40@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@> wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't Scala do the same thing?
>
> That's like saying Firefox and Internet Explorer do the same thing.
> But for some people, the features of Firefox and its extensions make
> all the difference.
>
> You can review the LMSO's feature set in detail here:
>
> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/
>
> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/knead_fold.html
>
> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/thermometer.html
>
> Also, if you have a synth that can't be retuned by Scala, just ask
> Jeff and he'll probably go out and search every nook and cranny of
> that synth's architecture to get it tuned to what you want.
>

>> > Doesn't Scala do the same thing?
>>
>> That's like saying Firefox and Internet Explorer do the same thing.
>> But for some people, the features of Firefox and its extensions make
>> all the difference.
>>
>> You can review the LMSO's feature set in detail here:
>>
>> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/
>>
>> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/knead_fold.html
>>
>> http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/LilMissScaleOven/thermometer.html
>>
>> Also, if you have a synth that can't be retuned by Scala, just ask
>> Jeff and he'll probably go out and search every nook and cranny of
>> that synth's architecture to get it tuned to what you want.

At 08:20 AM 3/30/2006, you wrote:
>So scala gets a lot of spyware, but lmso has memory leaks? :)
>
>Joe

Good one!

-Carl

Here's 'Scala for Dummies', although someone that composes in JI is
no dummy: http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/dummies.txt

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "kylegann1955" <kgann@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@> wrote:
>
> > Are you maxed out in the RAM department? That might help. It
also might be that you
> could find a sample set that wasn't as large, but still give a
good sound (i.e. pianos can be
> big hogs). I'll ask a couple of other people as well. You'll get
there, eventually...
>
>
> No, I cleaned 15 gb off my hard drive and added 512 mg of RAM just
for this purpose.
> Perhaps Scala would have done the same thing as LMSO, but I found
it more difficult to
> use, and never got anywhere with it. I found the way to define
scales particularly easy to
> understand and use in LMSO. Remember, I came late in life to all
this technology, and
> don't possess any particular talent for it. That's why I rely on
all you smart guys.
>
> Kyle
>

Joe,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tamahome02000@...> wrote:
>
> Here's 'Scala for Dummies', although someone that composes in JI is
> no dummy:

Don't know if you are aware of the fact, but the author, Joe Pehrson,
is a member of this list...

Cheers,
Jon