Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Re: [MMM] Re: spectral mappings

Paul, Manuel, Jacky:

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Jacky wrote:
> > >It has an internal sequencer, FX and full retuning (the most
> > >important feature to me), and I think it's a 76 keyboard.
> >
> > According to John Loffink's data
>
>[Paul] John Loffink's website is known to contain incorrect information. For
>example, the actual resolution of the Ensoniq VFX-SD is 2.34 cents,
>not 1.56 cents as the website claims.

So, who of the interested parties is going to contact Korg and find out?

🔗John Loffink <microtonal@...>

I supply the information at my web site as best I am able. No one has
ever informed me that the VFX-SD information is wrong.

The type of information you mention is particularly hard to find as it
is never published by the manufacturers. Most of them hide the actual
tuning resolution behind parameters in increments of 1 cent, which don't
map to their actual resolution.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Erlich [mailto:paul@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:14 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MMM] Re: spectral mappings - One More Thing!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
>
> Jacky wrote:
> >It has an internal sequencer, FX and full retuning (the most
> >important feature to me), and I think it's a 76 keyboard.
>
> According to John Loffink's data

John Loffink's website is known to contain incorrect information. For
example, the actual resolution of the Ensoniq VFX-SD is 2.34 cents,
not 1.56 cents as the website claims.

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🔗Jonathan M. Szanto <JSZANTO@...>

John,

{you wrote...}
>I supply the information at my web site as best I am able. No one has
>ever informed me that the VFX-SD information is wrong.

Absolutely, which is why I put out the question as to who would find the right answer. I can remember trying to track down midi implementations from some of the manufacturers, and it was not fun!

And, for all the *good* info you've got posted, thanks.

Cheers,
Jon

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🔗John Loffink <microtonal@...>

Below is information from the Korg Triton PDF files now available at
Korg's site. My web site will be corrected.

You can create your own original scales. You can create
sixteen different User Octave Scales in which the pitch
of each note in the octave is repeated for all octaves,
and one User All Note Scale in which the pitch of each
of the 128 notes can be specified independently.
If you want this setting to be preserved after the
power is turned off, save the setting ( p.39).
The user scales you create here can be used by specifying
the scale for a program, for each timbre of a combination,
or for each track of a song (Sequencer/Song
Play). ( "Changing the scale")

John Loffink
microtonal@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Szanto [mailto:JSZANTO@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:35 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MMM] Re: spectral mappings - One More Thing!

Paul, Manuel, Jacky:

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Jacky wrote:
> > >It has an internal sequencer, FX and full retuning (the most
> > >important feature to me), and I think it's a 76 keyboard.
> >
> > According to John Loffink's data
>
>[Paul] John Loffink's website is known to contain incorrect
information. For
>example, the actual resolution of the Ensoniq VFX-SD is 2.34 cents,
>not 1.56 cents as the website claims.

So, who of the interested parties is going to contact Korg and find out?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

🔗John Loffink <microtonal@...>

More information was found in the Triton parameter guide. Needless to
say I think this makes the full keyboard scale no more useful than an
octave scale since each note is limited to + or -99 cents.

3-1b User All Notes Scale
Tune [-99.+99]
Make independent pitch settings for each of the 128 notes.
Use the horizontal scroll bar to move to the desired located
of the keyboard, and adjust the pitch of each of the 128 notes
(C-1 - G9) in one-cent steps. This adjustment is relative to
equal temperament.
A setting of -99 lowers the pitch approximately a semitone
below normal pitch.
A setting of +99 raises the pitch approximately a semitone
above normal pitch.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:microtonal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:31 PM
To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MMM] Re: spectral mappings - One More Thing!

Below is information from the Korg Triton PDF files now available at
Korg's site. My web site will be corrected.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

Paul, Manuel, Jacky:

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Jacky wrote:
> > >It has an internal sequencer, FX and full retuning (the most
> > >important feature to me), and I think it's a 76 keyboard.
> >
> > According to John Loffink's data
>
>[Paul] John Loffink's website is known to contain incorrect
information. For
>example, the actual resolution of the Ensoniq VFX-SD is 2.34 cents,
>not 1.56 cents as the website claims.

So, who of the interested parties is going to contact Korg and find out?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

🔗John Loffink <microtonal@...>

I looked at this again and realized my web site was correct after all.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

Below is information from the Korg Triton PDF files now available at
Korg's site. My web site will be corrected.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

Paul, Manuel, Jacky:

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., <manuel.op.de.coul@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Jacky wrote:
> > >It has an internal sequencer, FX and full retuning (the most
> > >important feature to me), and I think it's a 76 keyboard.
> >
> > According to John Loffink's data
>
>[Paul] John Loffink's website is known to contain incorrect
information. For
>example, the actual resolution of the Ensoniq VFX-SD is 2.34 cents,
>not 1.56 cents as the website claims.

So, who of the interested parties is going to contact Korg and find out?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

🔗Paul Erlich <paul@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "John Loffink" <microtonal@w...> wrote:
> I supply the information at my web site as best I am able. No one
has
> ever informed me that the VFX-SD information is wrong.

I did send you e-mail to that effect a while back -- sorry you missed
it. I guess I assumed you weren't actively updating your site -- I
stand corrected!

> The type of information you mention is particularly hard to find as
it
> is never published by the manufacturers. Most of them hide the
actual
> tuning resolution behind parameters in increments of 1 cent, which
don't
> map to their actual resolution.

Ensoniq did this, and in the case of the VFX-SD (and certainly at
least one other model), it took a great deal of prodding to get Steve
Curtin (then of Ensoniq) to dig up the correct information for me.
The funny thing is that there isn't a consistent mapping from the 1-
cent-resolution display to the 2.34-cent-resolution result -- the
result can often differ depending on whether you got to your
specified cents value by incrementing upwards or overshooting and
them incrementing downwards!

🔗Paul Erlich <paul@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "John Loffink" <microtonal@w...> wrote:
>
> Below is information from the Korg Triton PDF files now available at
> Korg's site. My web site will be corrected.
>
> You can create your own original scales. You can create
> sixteen different User Octave Scales in which the pitch
> of each note in the octave is repeated for all octaves,
> and one User All Note Scale in which the pitch of each
> of the 128 notes can be specified independently.

Yes, I remember this -- you're not limited to ±99 cents for this one.
Unfortunately, on my Ensoniq, I'm currently using three such non-12
scales -- 22-tET, 19-out-of-31, and Blackjack -- so I don't thing the
Triton will work for me.

🔗Paul Erlich <paul@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "John Loffink" <microtonal@w...> wrote:
> More information was found in the Triton parameter guide. Needless
to
> say I think this makes the full keyboard scale no more useful than
an
> octave scale since each note is limited to + or -99 cents.
>
> 3-1b User All Notes Scale
> Tune [-99.+99]
> Make independent pitch settings for each of the 128 notes.
> Use the horizontal scroll bar to move to the desired located
> of the keyboard, and adjust the pitch of each of the 128 notes
> (C-1 - G9) in one-cent steps. This adjustment is relative to
> equal temperament.
> A setting of -99 lowers the pitch approximately a semitone
> below normal pitch.
> A setting of +99 raises the pitch approximately a semitone
> above normal pitch.
>
> John Loffink
> microtonal@w...

Yikes! OK, this is definitely out the window . . .

Re: [MMM] Re: spectral mappings - One More Thing!

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