Re: [MMM] Synthesizers with microtonal capability

Gene wrote,

> For myself, I'm interested in software synths which can render a score
> (such as a midi file) to a wav file. The only one I know of is Csound.

I don't understand the problem. People do that all the time without CSound.

You may need more than one program working together. Just take any
software (including many VST hosts with piano-roll interfaces) that can
read a MIDI file and send out MIDI data, and route its output through any
VST synth that can save a .wav file. Plenty of VST hosts can do that. And
it's free to route using MIDI Yoke.

These days, in fact Finale 2006 can also render a score to a WAV file directly.

Rick

> John Loffink's web page seems to have vanished. Is there anyone
> collecting up to date information on these?

Did you mean this one?
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/

I see it today, and it was last updated Jan 8 2006.

Rick

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@...> wrote:
>
> Gene wrote,
>
> > For myself, I'm interested in software synths which can render a score
> > (such as a midi file) to a wav file. The only one I know of is Csound.
>
> I don't understand the problem. People do that all the time without
CSound.

My problem is that Csound is a major Excedrin headache and I can't
figure out how to get timbres I think are truly musical and
interesting out of it.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@...> wrote:
>
> > John Loffink's web page seems to have vanished. Is there anyone
> > collecting up to date information on these?
>
> Did you mean this one?
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/
>
> I see it today, and it was last updated Jan 8 2006.

That's OK as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far. It doesn't
compare the various synthesizers and softsynths.

Gene,

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@...> wrote:
>> I don't understand the problem. People do that all the time without
>CSound.
>
>My problem is that Csound is a major Excedrin headache and I can't
>figure out how to get timbres I think are truly musical and
>interesting out of it.

Note that Rick said "without CSound", not with it. I doubt I'll ever delve into CSound myself, either, for a lot of the same reasons as you!

Cheers,
Jon

My web site compares the tuning features. If you want to compare other
features you'll have to do that research yourself. Most softsynths have
demo versions.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ward Smith
> >
> > Did you mean this one?
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/
> >
> > I see it today, and it was last updated Jan 8 2006.
>
> That's OK as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far. It doesn't
> compare the various synthesizers and softsynths.
>
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
wrote:
>
> My web site compares the tuning features.

It doesn't seem to any more.

Not sure how you could miss the three big button on the front page leading to the following links containing the detailed comparison charts:

http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/micro_af.html
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/micro_gm.html
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/micro_ns.html
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/micro_tz.html

This is the heart of the site.

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> wrote:
>> My web site compares the tuning features.
> > It doesn't seem to any more.

EDIT:

>Carl,
>
>{you wrote...}
>>>And you know a Windows version which actually works?

Of course *Carl* didn't write that, it just came out that way when I snipped stuff in the reply. Damn.

Cheers,
Jon

????

The basic format hasn't changed in 7 or 8 years.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ward Smith
\
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > My web site compares the tuning features.
>
> It doesn't seem to any more.
>
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Dave Seidel <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure how you could miss the three big button on the front page
> leading to the following links containing the detailed comparison
charts:

Thanks. I forgot how it worked, and the buttons don't say what they
are for. I was expecting a link which did.

On 2006-03-16 17:30:16 -0600 Gene Ward Smith <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Rick McGowan <rick@...> wrote:
>> >> Gene wrote,
>> >>> For myself, I'm interested in software synths which can render a >>> score
>>> (such as a midi file) to a wav file. The only one I know of is >>> Csound.
>> >> I don't understand the problem. People do that all the time without
> CSound.
> > My problem is that Csound is a major Excedrin headache and I can't
> figure out how to get timbres I think are truly musical and
> interesting out of it.

Kinda late in the thread.. I was out all last week (sxsw), just now catching up.

As it was not mentioned, nor on the linked sites, I thought I should mention supercollider. I was a csound user, and for me supercollider was quite a treat, once I decided to dedicate myself to it.

http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/

ETs are as easy as
\stepsPerOctave, 19,
JI is a little more work, but still easy. Also, mapping realtime controllers to other scales is simple. Making 'real' timbres is a bit easier than csound, but you will still be building it all yourself.

- j
--
http://fluoroscopickid.com

fk,

{you wrote...}
>As it was not mentioned, nor on the linked sites, I thought I should mention supercollider.

I should mention that Gene is PC based, although he has mentioned Linux a couple times. I thought SC was a Mac only app, but see that runs on Linux as well. But unless there is a front-end like Blue, you better like writing code, Gene!

Cheers,
Jon

I just got an e-mu midi 49-key keyboard, and it comes with proteus x le
synth. The synth has some microtonal scales (just c, just c2, just c-
minor, etc), but it doesn't seem like you can make your own. Their
knowledge base gives some kind of workaround. I think it involves the
keyboard editor, but I don't understand it yet.

Joe

--- In MakeMicroMusic@...m, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> fk,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >As it was not mentioned, nor on the linked sites, I thought I should
mention supercollider.
>
> I should mention that Gene is PC based, although he has mentioned
Linux a couple times. I thought SC was a Mac only app, but see that
runs on Linux as well. But unless there is a front-end like Blue, you
better like writing code, Gene!
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> fk,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >As it was not mentioned, nor on the linked sites, I thought I
should mention supercollider.
>
> I should mention that Gene is PC based, although he has mentioned
Linux a couple times. I thought SC was a Mac only app, but see that
runs on Linux as well. But unless there is a front-end like Blue, you
better like writing code, Gene!

I used to have a dual boot Linux and Windows system, but when I
upgraded to 2000 I found my Maple program now worked under Windows,
and that left me with no compelling need for Linux. Other than having
an operating system that wasn't pathetic for things like memory
management, that is. Windows has pretty much all the programs you
want, though not Supercollider; Supercollider is Linux/OS X.