Unlimited JI

This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I made
using Pure Data.
There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.

http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "J.Smith" <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chuckk Hubbard"
> <BadMuthaHubbard@> wrote:
> >
> > This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I
> made
> > using Pure Data.
> > There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> >
> > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
> >
>
>
> Mmmm, tasty! More please?
>
> Thanks,
> jlsmith
>

Thanks, I'll keep working.

-Chuckk

At 03:15 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
>This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I made
>using Pure Data.
>There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
>
>http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3

Do you really spell your name with two ks?

-Carl

Chuckk,
I loved it. Keep it up. I especially liked the part at around 55
seconds. Two nice jazzy chords and a modulation to parts unknown. It
reminds me of Joe Monzo's "Theme from Invisible Haircut".
http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/haircut/haircut.htm

Outstanding.

Prent Rodgers

> > > This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I
> > made
> > > using Pure Data.
> > > There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> > >
> > > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
> > >
> >
> >

This is interesting - it should be longer!

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:

> This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I made
> using Pure Data.
> There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
>
> http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
>
> At 03:15 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
> >This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I made
> >using Pure Data.
> >There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> >
> >http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
>
> Do you really spell your name with two ks?
>
> -Carl
>

Yeah.

-Chuckk

>> >This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a
>> >program I made using Pure Data.
>> >There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
>> >
>> > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
>>
>> Do you really spell your name with two ks?
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>
>Yeah.
>
>-Chuckk

Thanks! Nice piece by the way.

-C.

Hi all!

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Prent Rodgers wrote:
>
> Chuckk,
> I loved it. Keep it up. I especially liked the part at around 55
> seconds. Two nice jazzy chords and a modulation to parts unknown. It
> reminds me of Joe Monzo's "Theme from Invisible Haircut".
> http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/haircut/haircut.htm

Don't recall hearing that one before - very pleasant,
in a relaxed late evening at the jazz club kind of way.

monz, are you still using your JustMusic notation as
mentioned on that 1988 page? And do you have the
original 12-EDO version of this Theme that you wrote
about, so we can compare the two version?

> Outstanding.

[Chuckk]
> > > This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I
> > > made using Pure Data.
> > > There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> > >
> > > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3

Chuckk, this is certainly different! ;-) I frankly
don't know what to make of it, or should I say,
how to listen to it to get the most out of it.
I did enjoy the sounds, the comforting repeats,
and the occasional surprise. But just when I was
starting to get into the flute melody, it was gone
...! And the point around 55 seconds that Prent
referred to, seems to me more like a major
disconnect than a considered change of direction
... May I ask what were your aims with this piece?

Regards,
Yahya

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 "Chuckk Hubbard" <BadMuthaHubbard@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
> >
> > At 03:15 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a program I made
> > >using Pure Data.
> > >There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> > >
> > >http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
> >
> > Do you really spell your name with two ks?
> >
> > -Carl
> >
>
> Yeah.

Chuckk,

From seeing your email adress, I figured that
your name should not be pronounced "Chuck",
but rather "Chuck-key" ... ;-)

You're obviously a guy with a penchant for puns.

Yahya

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@...>
wrote:
> [Chuckk]
> > > > This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a
program I
> > > > made using Pure Data.
> > > > There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
>
> Chuckk, this is certainly different! ;-) I frankly
> don't know what to make of it, or should I say,
> how to listen to it to get the most out of it.
> I did enjoy the sounds, the comforting repeats,
> and the occasional surprise. But just when I was
> starting to get into the flute melody, it was gone
> ...! And the point around 55 seconds that Prent
> referred to, seems to me more like a major
> disconnect than a considered change of direction
> ... May I ask what were your aims with this piece?
>
> Regards,
> Yahya

Thanks for the feedback. It is my first attempt, and one of the
major constraints is time. It's going to be one of 5 or 6 pieces to
be melded into a 15-minute dance piece to be melded into an evening
of dance. Of course, most of my 12-EDO pieces have major disjunct
moments, so maybe that's just the way I work, the Frank Zappa
influence. I don't want to satisfy the listener, but to affect the
listener.
I find the tuning to be the least endearing aspect myself; the
changes are too fast to hear the relations between chords.

I find when I bring in several short JI ideas to my comp "teacher,"
who changes from year to year, they tend to pick out the ones that
sound the most out-of-tune and request that I elaborate on them,
thinking they sound "wacky" or "like an out-of-tune honky-tonk
piano." Then people make references to me making out-of-tune music
and force me to point out that it is more in tune than anything
they've written. >:(
My ultimate goal is to do completely free just tunings with no
scales. My program is set up just for that.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chuckk Hubbard"
<BadMuthaHubbard@...> wrote:

> My ultimate goal is to do completely free just tunings with no
> scales. My program is set up just for that.

I have some experience with that. What tends to happen is that the
numerators and denominators grow log linearly (linear in the number of
digits) with time. This can become unwieldy, and one way to treat the
problem is to use nanotempering. For instance, I've written 13-limit
music which used 6079-et simply as a bookeeping device--a way of
keeping track of the notes.

Hi Gene,

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 Gene Ward Smith wrote:
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Chuckk Hubbard"
> <BadMuthaHubbard@...> wrote:
>
> > My ultimate goal is to do completely free just tunings with no
> > scales. My program is set up just for that.
>
> I have some experience with that. What tends to happen is that the
> numerators and denominators grow log linearly (linear in the number of
> digits) with time. This can become unwieldy, and one way to treat the
> problem is to use nanotempering. For instance, I've written 13-limit
> music which used 6079-et simply as a bookeeping device--a way of
> keeping track of the notes.

Seems like a good idea. Why 6079-EDO rather than
any other? Could you use 1200-EDO or even 600-EDO
for this purpose without sensibly affecting the sound?
Regards,
Yahya

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On 3/28/06, Yahya Abdal-Aziz <yahya@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
[...]
> Seems like a good idea. Why 6079-EDO rather than
> any other? Could you use 1200-EDO or even 600-EDO
> for this purpose without sensibly affecting the sound?
> Regards,
> Yahya

Simply because 6079 is much closer to JI. 600 or 1200 have audible
beats if the timbres are clear enough and the notes are held long
enough, but 6079's beats should be too slow to be audible.

Keenan

Hi Chuckk,

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 Chuckk Hubbard wrote:

> > [Chuckk]
> > > > > This is called 'Big Giant Worms.' I composed it with a
> > > > > program I made using Pure Data.
> > > > > There is no scale, it's unrestricted just intonation.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.engineerc.com/~chuckk/biggiantharp.mp3
> >
> > Chuckk, this is certainly different! ;-) I frankly
> > don't know what to make of it, or should I say,
> > how to listen to it to get the most out of it.
> > I did enjoy the sounds, the comforting repeats,
> > and the occasional surprise. But just when I was
> > starting to get into the flute melody, it was gone
> > ...! And the point around 55 seconds that Prent
> > referred to, seems to me more like a major
> > disconnect than a considered change of direction
> > ... May I ask what were your aims with this piece?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yahya
>
> Thanks for the feedback. It is my first attempt, and one of the
> major constraints is time. It's going to be one of 5 or 6 pieces to
> be melded into a 15-minute dance piece to be melded into an evening
> of dance. ...

Wow! I didn't realise that ... It certainly doesn't
strike me as a dance piece first off. Does it make
you dance when you play it?

> ... Of course, most of my 12-EDO pieces have major disjunct
> moments, so maybe that's just the way I work, the Frank Zappa
> influence. I don't want to satisfy the listener, but to affect the
> listener.
> I find the tuning to be the least endearing aspect myself; the
> changes are too fast to hear the relations between chords.
>
> I find when I bring in several short JI ideas to my comp "teacher,"
> who changes from year to year, they tend to pick out the ones that
> sound the most out-of-tune and request that I elaborate on them,
> thinking they sound "wacky" or "like an out-of-tune honky-tonk
> piano." Then people make references to me making out-of-tune music
> and force me to point out that it is more in tune than anything
> they've written. >:(

Just shows how little those people know about tuning.
But you keep on challenging their expectations, which
is something they need. Whether you can deal with the
kind of hostility this arouses in them is one issue.
Another is whether you can, as you say, affect the
listener in the way you want to whilst they are, at best,
fighting to suppress that hostility. I think that it may
be creating a bigger stumbling-block for them than you,
being immersed in your work, realise. Mind you, I'm NOT
saying you need to "make your music more accessible",
but there is definitely a problem of perception here,
which MAY be overcome by education or habituation -
or may never. :-( "Just the facts, ma'am."

On this issue, something Aaron Wolf wrote recently
makes sense to me; I paraphrase - for people to get your
stuff, it needs to be somewhere between "boring" and
"confusing". On that scale, perhaps your music could be
a little more boring! ;-)

> My ultimate goal is to do completely free just tunings with no
> scales. My program is set up just for that.

Sounds like a plan.

Regards,
Yahya

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--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@...>
wrote:

> Seems like a good idea. Why 6079-EDO rather than
> any other?

It's very solid in the 13-limit, and seemed to me good enough to
qualify as JI.

Could you use 1200-EDO or even 600-EDO
> for this purpose without sensibly affecting the sound?

It still makes a difference.

> On this issue, something Aaron Wolf wrote recently
> makes sense to me; I paraphrase - for people to get your
> stuff, it needs to be somewhere between "boring" and
> "confusing".

I love it! Do you have a reference for that thought?

Hi Yahya,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all!
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Prent Rodgers wrote:
> >
> > Chuckk,
> > I loved it. Keep it up. I especially liked the part at
> > around 55 seconds. Two nice jazzy chords and a modulation
> > to parts unknown. It reminds me of Joe Monzo's
> > "Theme from Invisible Haircut".
> > http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/haircut/haircut.htm
>
> Don't recall hearing that one before - very pleasant,
> in a relaxed late evening at the jazz club kind of way.
>
> monz, are you still using your JustMusic notation as
> mentioned on that 1988 page? And do you have the
> original 12-EDO version of this Theme that you wrote
> about, so we can compare the two version?

Sorry to reply so late ... i haven't been reading any
of the tuning lists much lately.

I haven't really used the JustMusic notation for awhile
now, but that's mainly just because Tonescape doesn't
do staff-notation yet. When we implement that, i'll be
back to using it again.

But actually, my preference runs toward the 72-edo version
of HEWM these days, or the very slightly different 144-edo
version if i need that much accuracy. Eventually, Tonescape's
staff-notation capabilities will also support sagittal, and
most likely i'll gravitate toward that at that time, simply
because of sagittal's widespread applicability to so many
different tuning systems ... but there's a simplicity about
72-edo HEWM that i really do love.

I do have the 12-edo version of "Invisible Haircut" around
somewhere ... when i have time i'll put it on the website.
If it doesn't appear after some time passes, send me a
private email reminder.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software